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A Chicken in Every Pot and $5,000 to Every Child
www.americanthinker.com ^ | September 29, 2007 | Rick Moran

Posted on 09/29/2007 11:21:54 PM PDT by givemELL

Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton said Friday that every child born in the United States should get a $5,000 "baby bond" from the government to help pay for future costs of college or buying a home.

Clinton, her party's front-runner in the 2008 race, made the suggestion during a forum hosted by the Congressional Black Caucus.

"I like the idea of giving every baby born in America a $5,000 account that will grow over time, so that when that young person turns 18 if they have finished high school they will be able to access it to go to college or maybe they will be able to make that downpayment on their first home," she said.

The New York senator did not offer any estimate of the total cost of such a program or how she would pay for it.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: babybond; clinton; clintonpotchicken; hillary; hillaryclinton
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Yes, it is best she demonstrate her personal ability to pay. This is a proposal for philanthropists. Gates? Slim? Why the strapped, mortgage strangled American taxpayer? What an incentive for more anchor babies! What an incentive for private practice obstetritians to leave practice knowing their reimbursement is scheduled for further reductions..what a growth industry for midwifes. What a disincentive for tax sensitive voters! This is a bummer. Objections to this one are probably infinite. The US has to borrow (T-bills) approx a trillion a year to just tread water...and worries that the lenders are fading away are real. The wealth of the middle class is about 20 trillion dollars in their homes, and with each loss of 5% of valuatiton, they lose a trillion in equity. The middle class is being dealt a potential death blow by this mechanism, and is not going to continue supporting the economy via consumerism (70% if GDP), much less support an increasing tax base for Hillarys' proposal
1 posted on 09/29/2007 11:21:57 PM PDT by givemELL
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To: givemELL

LOL. Give each baby 5K, then when they grow up they can pay it back along with all the interest the government ran up since they borrowed the money to “give” it away.

“The scariest words in the English language are “I’m from the government, and I’m here to help you”-—Ronald Reagan


2 posted on 09/29/2007 11:29:01 PM PDT by Hugin (Mecca delenda est.)
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To: givemELL
"I like the idea of giving every baby born in America a $5,000 account that will grow over time, so that when that young person turns 18 if they have finished high school they will be able to access it to go to college or maybe they will be able to make that downpayment on their first home," she said.

Or maybe a really hot car and some awesome tatoos.

3 posted on 09/29/2007 11:34:22 PM PDT by Hugin (Mecca delenda est.)
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To: givemELL

Hillary must be taking advice from Russian presidential candidate Zhirinovsky who promised a liter of vodka and a kilo of sausage to everyone and from Putin’s administration who is giving a $10,000 stipend for each new baby. Crazy.


4 posted on 09/29/2007 11:34:53 PM PDT by jer33 3
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To: givemELL
"I like the idea of giving every baby born in America a $5,000 account that will grow over time, so that when that young person turns 18 if they have finished high school they will be able to access it to go to college or maybe they will be able to make that downpayment on their first home," she said.

Why not $6000? or $8500?

5 posted on 09/30/2007 12:09:57 AM PDT by panzer_grey
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To: givemELL

Democratic presidential candidate Senator Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.) said that every child born in the United States should get a $5,000 “baby bond” from the government. Clinton made the suggestion during a forum hosted by the Congressional Black Caucus.

“I like the idea of giving every baby born in America a $5,000 government bond that will grow over time, so that when that young person turns 18 if they have finished high school they will be able to access it to go to college or maybe they will be able to make that down payment on their first home,” Clinton said.

The plan would be funded by allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire. “Most taxpayers have more money than they need,” Clinton asserted. “When I’m president, the government will take this money away from them and put it to better use.”

Clinton said such a program “would help build a stronger economy by making an investment in America’s young people.”

The idea of encouraging savings that would grow over time is a key feature of President Bush’s proposal to permit private investment accounts as a way of rescuing the Social Security system from insolvency. Asked if her new enthusiasm for saving and growth meant she was reconsidering her opposition to Bush’s proposal for Social Security reform, Clinton said “No, the president’s plan is predicated on private accounts and individual decisions. He would allow people to choose their own investments. That is too much latitude. We need an approach aimed at the collective good. The government bond in my proposal will ensure that the funds remain securely in the government’s hands.”

read more...

http://www.azconservative.org/Semmens1.htm


6 posted on 09/30/2007 12:15:29 AM PDT by John Semmens
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All I see is more money for illegal immigrants. This incentive should only apply to Americans who have been here since before WW2. My folks got here in 1906


7 posted on 09/30/2007 12:39:13 AM PDT by dennisw (France needs a new kind of immigrant — one who is "selected, not endured" - Sarkozy)
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8 posted on 09/30/2007 12:44:28 AM PDT by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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To: givemELL

Of course, we’ll need to tax the parents an extra $10,000 to pay for it.


9 posted on 09/30/2007 1:01:20 AM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: John Semmens

A Satirical Look...

It’s really becoming confusing if her comments are really that outlandish.


10 posted on 09/30/2007 1:09:56 AM PDT by endthematrix (He was shouting 'Allah!' but I didn't hear that. It just sounded like a lot of crap to me.)
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To: givemELL

instead of “every” baby, it should only go to the poor kids. I don’t see how it makes sense to tax everyone only to give them their money back to their children when they certainly can do that themselves.

instead of putting it in a government bond, it should be put in a stock/MM/corporate bond index fund.

and instead of it being a new program, it should replace the subsidization of student loans.

We need to encourage savings over debt but the last thing we need is another welfare program on top of everything else.


11 posted on 09/30/2007 2:44:01 AM PDT by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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What she really said:

“Many of you are well enough off that [President Bush’s] tax cuts may have helped you. We’re saying that for America to get back on track, we’re probably going to cut that short and not give it to you.
We’re going to have to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.”
(Hillary grandstanding at a fund raising speech in San Francisco; SFGate.com 6/28/2004.)

“We must stop thinking of the individual and start thinking about what is best for society.”

“God bless the America we are trying to create.”


12 posted on 09/30/2007 4:22:18 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself.)
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I sometimes think that Dems must daydream of ways to bankrupt the country.

Sure, give each baby $5K, but then don’t bother me about Government scholarships, student loan guarantees, Headstart, Fannie Mae, or a host of other programs. And while you’re at it, how are you gonna keep Mom & Dad from using it to buy cigarettes and lottery tickets? Lastly, imagine the draw such a program will be to pregnant illegals—ay caramba!


13 posted on 09/30/2007 4:40:41 AM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: John Semmens
Democratic presidential candidate Senator Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.) said that every child born in the United States should get a $5,000 “baby bond” from the government.

Of course a 5K deduction for each child on your income tax is out of the question.

14 posted on 09/30/2007 4:44:15 AM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear..on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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To: givemELL

bump


15 posted on 09/30/2007 4:46:47 AM PDT by lowbridge (All I Have To Say Is....KERMIT THE FROG IS IN SESAME STREET GOD DAMNIT!)
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The mothers and fathers of so-called “anchor babies” will thank Hillary with every birth they manage to accomplish on US soil.


16 posted on 09/30/2007 5:14:49 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: mware

Sounds like a page out of the FDR era, and look where that took us and shafted us. Happy days are here again. America is truly the home of the brave and the land of the free. At least it was at one time, long ago.


17 posted on 09/30/2007 5:15:21 AM PDT by mulligan
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To: givemELL

This appears to be the clincher by Hillary when asked if it was similar to the President’s individual Social Security account methods she responds, “No, the president’s plan is predicated on private accounts and individual decisions. He would allow people to choose their own investments. That is too much latitude. We need an approach aimed at the collective good. The government bond in my proposal will ensure that the funds remain securely in the government’s hands.”

Additionally, we have the proviso of not being able to claim the account until age 18 and graduating from high school.

At 5% APR compounded, that $5k only swells to $12k in 18 years, and by that time it isn’t going to be much of a down payment on a house. (A car down payment, perhaps)

IMHO, the larger risk is that the $5k will trip a 30% tax rate on income, which will probably get countered by a 20% deduction, but still raise the AGI of the average taxpayer, such that they actually pay 5% more in income taxes back to the government in annual cash in return for a 5% account gain, with fair risk of them ever actualizing.

In other words, it isn’t a gift, it’s a hook and those receiving it are losers.


18 posted on 09/30/2007 5:32:54 AM PDT by Cvengr (The violence of evil is met with the violence of righteousness, justice, love and grace.)
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To: mware

The $5k deduction would save the gov’t more cost and give more value to the taxpayer, and less prone to abuse.


19 posted on 09/30/2007 5:34:31 AM PDT by Cvengr (The violence of evil is met with the violence of righteousness, justice, love and grace.)
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To: Iron Munro
Given her founding fathers, her comments make complete sense.

Three communist tyrants.

20 posted on 09/30/2007 5:47:12 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages - In Honor of Standing Wolf)
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