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To: 2ndDivisionVet
J. Peter Mulhern writes cogently like the lawyer he is. More, he writes in a style that is persuasive without being pretentious. He says things that most of us agree with. I for one have long concluded that we enjoy the happy coincidence that Fred Thompson is both the best man and the most likely man to win the nomination and therefore I have posted my support for Fred Thompson months ago.

But all of this is not to say that Mulhern's arguments are dispositive of the nomination, especially when it comes to the stubborn and remarkably coordinated campaign waged by Mitt Romney. Romney is emerging as the Energizer Bunny of the primary season. His campaign reflects his biography. No campaign today, not even Rudy Giuliani's and certainly not Fred Thompson's, can match Romney's applied organizational skills. And it is in this zone that Mulhern tries to slip us an inside curveball. It might be good conservative theoretical doctrine to say that we conservatives do not seek a manipulator in chief. It might even be reassuring to point to Ronald Reagan as the beau ideal of the detached president who sets the larger goals and refrains from micromanaging. But one might also be made somewhat uncomfortable when we reflect that this practice nearly cost Reagan his presidency when his inattention permitted the Iran-Contra debacle. Who can say in the wake of Katrina that the American public should not be very mindful to select a man they believe can actually make government work for a change.

Giuliani's entire campaign to Republicans, apart from name recognition and his heroics on 9/11, has been expressly grounded in the argument that he is a chief executive who has actually been in control of government and that he has made it work by cutting taxes and cutting crime. In fact, Rudy's stump speech and his book couple this with a how-to version of running the government. This strategy got Giuliani to the top. Mulhern can say what he will but Rudy's message got him to number one in the polls.

In reading Mulhern's piece one must be careful because he bobs and weaves between criticisms of Giuliani-which are well-received on this forum-and criticisms of Romney which are inapposite. For example, Mulhern claims without citing a shred of evidence that, "Even his greatest admirers usually concede that he is too slick and too packaged to seem entirely trustworthy." This is utter rubbish. We are picking a candidate here and it is not upon this sort of nonsense that are decisions ought to be made.

Mulhern takes two arguments in favor of Thompson. The first is that he is inevitable by virtue of a process of elimination. He is persuasive that Rudy Giuliani will be eliminated by the social conservatives which dominate the Republican base but he is far from persuasive when he sees the elimination of Romney as being inevitable. The second is that Thompson is the ideal man for the position and here too we must be careful not to accept Mulheren's assertions just because he makes them. As I have already pointed out, there is no evidence that America is looking for a hands-off administrator in the oval office. In fact in the wake of Katrina and the botched post invasion occupation of Iraq, the opposite conclusion seems more likely. Finally, there is nothing in Mulhern's remarks which persuade us that Thompson will be better at setting a conservative agenda than Romney and especially when one recalls that Thompson has had his problems with the vital issues of immigration and abortion.

I have long posted that this nomination process will come down to Thompson and Romney with Thompson the probable victor. I have also long been posting in the teeth of much opposition that neither man can win if he does not find a way to dramatically change the entire course of the election. So far, neither man has shown any real disposition to do so perhaps because neither man has articulated any evidence that he believes that to be the case.

Barring a dramatic incident between now and election Day, this election belongs to the 'rats. On a state-by-state geographical breakdown the Republicans are in serious trouble when all the border states and even (gasp) Virginia were lost in the last election. We just lost Ohio, gone the way of Pennsylvania, likewise Missouri, and we simply cannot win the presidency without Ohio and Missouri and Virginia. By November we will have held office going on eight years and that indicates a problem for the incumbent party. But at the end of the day, the real problem is Iraq. Unless we can fix that mess we will lose the presidency and even more of the House and Senate.

But a year and a half in politics is, as they say, a lifetime and we may yet see some intervening events like 9/11 which stands everything on its head and opens the gate for the Republicans to hold on. I do not think it will be enough merely to put the Democrats fingerprints on the war and blame them for a Vietnam like ending. This is the Republicans' war and how it goes will probably determine the next election. But how it goes will not be determined objectively but by a media determined to stop the war and destroy the Republican Party. Remember, the media has already convinced enough Americans before the last election that 3000 fatalities were too much to bear and that the war was lost.

In the face of this grim prospect, Fred Thompson is the only candidate who is acceptable to all parts of the Republican spectrum and who also has requisite personal gravitas to make incursions into independents and Reagan Democrats needed to hold the states mentioned above as well as the Southwest which is cracking as well, and even Florida.

This previous post is not quoted merely to show that I have long supported Thompson, but to emphasize that the Republican Party is desperately vulnerable and so far Fred Thompson has not shown the spark which can carry us free of the crushing burden of Iraq. Mulhern's prediction to the effect that Democrats will be nailed to the cross of Iraq is wildly optimistic and hardly the stuff upon which to risk the future of the party. Without going into long detail, the surge has so far shown only military fruit, the political situation if anything has deteriorated. Moreover, our ultimate vulnerability in Iraq-that our destiny is not in our own hands by in the hands of the Iraqis themselves-remains, unfortunately, true. Only a fool would that an American presidential election on the behavior of the Iraqis.

The issue with Fred Thompson is not so much whether he has the fire in his belly but whether he is the man, like Lincoln in 1860, Roosevelt in 1932, Reagan in 1980, who can by the force of his persona bring the American people to see a new way because the Times are no less dramatic than these other turning points in our history. Although I do not think Roosevelt was the right man in 1932, no one can dispute that he captured the imagination of the people. Can Fred Thompson do the same in the cause of conservatism and in the salvation of his country?

One thing is clear, if the Republican candidate does not capture the popular imagination on a once in a century scale, he will not get the opportunity to demonstrate what he can do for party and country.


14 posted on 09/30/2007 3:25:04 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("I like to legislate. I feel I've done a lot of good." Sen. Robert Byrd)
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To: nathanbedford

nathanbedford wrote: Mulhern... is far from persuasive when he sees the elimination of Romney as being inevitable.”

I agree. Mulhern should have pointed out that Romney’s entire campaign is predicated on the strategy of scoring big wins in Iowa and New Hampshire, which are supposed to propel him into the other primaries in a position of strength.

Unfortunately for Romney, Giuliani is breathing down his neck in New Hampshire, only one point behind Mitt. And Fred Thompson has come out of nowhere to just eight points back in Iowa. If Romney loses one of these two states his team considers essential, his campaign is in serious trouble. If he loses both, he is toast.

nathanbedford also wrote: “Thompson has had his problems with the vital issues of immigration and abortion.”

And Romney has had his own problems with guns and abortion. He’s changed his story on being a hunter and owning a gun so many times that visions of John Kerry are dancing in voters’ heads. Whether it is deserved or not, Mitt just can’t shake the perception of being a flip-flopper. This is one of the reasons why Romney has been stuck in fourth place around the eight to ten percent mark, despite spending millions of his supporters’ dollars and a considerable chuck of his own personal fortune.


21 posted on 09/30/2007 4:37:52 AM PDT by Josh Painter ( "Our government must be limited by the powers delegated to it by the Constitution." - Fred Thompson)
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To: nathanbedford
As usual, a good coherent post.

However, I must have the temerity to disagree with you regarding Romney.

I really doubt that Romney will break into double digits and he is hopefully not going to drag this nomination out with rather useless noise after super Tuesday, ala Edwards.

Romney, McCain, Huckabee, Paul, Tancredo.
All out with a boot in the butt after that date, and I am concerned.
Very concerned. When the real debates crank up we shall see how the underlying principles in you post fit in.

I hope for the best and prepare for the worst. Thank you for your post. - Bill

29 posted on 09/30/2007 6:18:18 AM PDT by bill1952 (The 10 most important words for change: "If it is to be, it is up to me")
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To: nathanbedford; perfect_rovian_storm

The nomination will not come down to Thompson and Romney. By trying to position himself as the conservative alternative, the whole raison d’etre of Romney’s candidacy began to unravel when Thompson emerged and finally collapsed (along with his poll numbers)when Fred entered the race. An energizer bunny does not win political campaigns. Otherwise, George H.W. Bush would surely have defeated Reagan for the 1980 nomination, being a much younger and (by all printed and reported accounts) a more energetic candidate. And Jimmy Carter, who was more familiar with the minutiae of government than Reagan and far more capable of detailed policy discussions, would have crushed the Gipper in the general. Neither happened. And the result will be the same for many of the same reasons. The race will boil down to Thompson (the conservative) and Guiliani (the liberal). It doesn’t take a Phi Beta Kappa key to discern who wins that contest in a Republican primary.

I think you set up a standard that no one could meet. You say that Thompson has not shown “the spark with which he can free us of the crushing burden of Iraq.” You also set an high mark that if Thompson does not demonstrate, in advance of taking office, a “persona” akin to Lincoln, Reagan, and FDR, the Republican party is destined to lose the 2008 election. My goodness, neither Lincoln, Reagan nor FDR could have cleared such a hurdle BEFORE taking office.

And, are Republican prospects really as dim as you suggest? I think not, and you have cited no historical evidence to suggest they are. Lincoln was reelected in the middle of a Civil War. Iraq is a brushfire in comparison. Roosevelt was re-elected by a huge landlslide in 1936, even though the Depression was no better than in 1932. Do you deny that, had Johnson run in 1968, he would have defeated Nixon, even though we were in the midst of a very unpopular, and much larger war?

And, contrary to your hypothesis, Iraq is not the only issue, perhaps less important than ever, all the major candidates having agreed that troops will be there until 2013 at least. The other issues of high taxation, government spending and secure borders are very important, as are judicial nominations, right to life and the 2nd Amendment. The Republican coalition has not disappeared; it is merely leaderless at this point. There is no great cry for 12 point plans or energizer bunnies to hold umpteen events per day, but for a return to the principles that won 44 states in 1980 and 49 in 1984. That coalition has been tattered by 20 years of Bush-Dole rule of the Republican party, but it can be reassembled. As I look about the horizon, the only candidate who can credibly reassemble it is Fred Thompson. After 20 years in the wilderness, the message has once again found a messenger.


72 posted on 09/30/2007 10:20:39 AM PDT by Brices Crossroads
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