Posted on 09/28/2007 9:42:58 AM PDT by Dubya
Yes illegals are given equal protection...
And that was my point. That illegals have equal protection under the Constitution.
Thanks for agreeing with me.
Ball Game!
Your party affiliation shows further.....LOL
Please respond some more, please, you make me laugh...
But we agree!
You said “Yes illegals are given equal protection...”
I said the very same thing!
We are one, we both understand the Constitution.
Very good thanks.
“That brings up a good point... are illegal immigrants protected from Constitutionally granted protection from search and seizure without probable cause?
I’m not a legal expert, but my gut tells me no.”
Liz????
"Apr 20th, 2007 by The Patriot
Illegal immigration has finally been noticed by the media and even by some politicians. After fifty years of neglect and incompetent management, we can finally all agree that illegal immigration is a problem that must be dealt with right now. The problem is so urgent even the illegal aliens consider it a problem.
While considerable blame is being tossed about, and rhetoric parsed, the “solutions” being offered for consideration are flawed and unworkable. Any country’s immigration laws should meet a basic criteria whereby the guest country and it’s people benefit from immigration. Our country is no exception.
Most importantly, any solution to illegal immigration shouldn’t compromise the Constitution or the rule of law.
Any legislation must uphold the rule of law. That is to say everyone must be treated equally by the legislation and no one should be above the law. This means that under no circumstances, any person or business that has broken our laws, should be excused for doing so.
The legislation must meet Constitutional standards. Legislation must not allow for a new class of residents with partial Constitutional rights. Either you are a citizen or not. We cannot have a sub class of residents such as guest workers with partial rights.
All of the so called immigration solutions to date do not meet this simple criteria. Irrespective of the fact that we pay people handsome sums of money to run this country and provide sensible policies for dealing with our challenges, I a mere citizen, will offer a solution that contains the necessary ingredients.
Ten Point Plan to End Illegal Immigration
The border must be controlled with a wall and/or very intense (military) enforcement there. I prefer a wall. The San Diego wall proves that it works. The flow of illegal entrants must be stopped at the border for the sake of eliminating illegal immigration and strengthening national security.
Severe work place enforcement must begin immediately. Employers are to be fined in amounts that exceed the normal costs of doing business. They must also face prison time in addition to monetary fines. The costs of hiring illegal workers must exceed the benefits for hiring illegal workers. The resulting perp walks must be widely publicized and these traitorous businesses must be viewed for what they are.
Any hope of Amnesty must be eliminated. Amnesty is as strong a magnet for illegal aliens as are jobs and free social services. There cannot be any amnesty for the 30 million illegal aliens already here. Amnesty would put this group of people above our laws. To maintain the rule of law, the principle upon which this country was built, these millions of aliens must face the consequences of their illegal actions.
There also cannot be a guest worker program that allows for a path to citizenship. People are to immigrate to this country because they want to be a part of it not because they want to work here. We are a nation not a factory and it’s time we run the country this way.
All social benefits awarded to illegal aliens must be completely eliminated. No free health care (except life and death situations), no free education, no welfare, no social benefits of any kind.
I suggest a phase in period of a year for the elimination of these benefits. That will do a couple of things. First it will ameliorate the suddenness of this enforcement technique, allowing aliens a full year to get their affairs in order before leaving. Second it will make the exodus more orderly by allowing illegal alien, school children to finish up instead of abruptly being taken out of school. Thirdly, it shields this action from the accusation of being overly harsh.
The anchor baby law needs to either be interpreted properly or changed not to allow anchor babies. The anchor baby phenomenon isn’t due to a flawed Constitutional Amendment, rather it’s due to erroneous interpretation by inept and agenda pushing justices. Either way, whether it be proper interpretation or new legislation, there must be an end to anchor baby status. If need be, a special Supreme Court session should be called for the sole purpose of clarifying the true meaning of the 14th Amendment.
Chain migration must be eliminated. Chain migration is a phenomenon due to families being allowed to bring in other family members from foreign countries. If we are to maintain chain migration, it should be limited to immediate family members only, instead of cousins of cousins etc. Chain migration is the equivalent of a never ending stream of immigrants. A law must be passed that says “if you are caught in this country illegally, you will never be eligible for legal immigration or a guest worker program. This will provide an incentive for illegal aliens to leave before getting caught here illegally. Spot raids and work place raids must continue and be stepped up. This sends the message that our laws are being enforced. It’s like the speed trap on the highway that keeps everyone driving at the speed limit. You slow down when you know you can get caught. The same principle holds true with illegal immigration.
Aiding and abetting laws need to be toughened and also enforced to the maximum extent. This includes sanctuary city policies that coddle the lawless. Any city that has sanctuary policies will forfeit all federal funding until and unless the city complies with all immigration laws.
Any business that aids and abets illegal aliens must be fully prosecuted, heavily fined and incarcerated where appropriate. This would put an end to programs like Bank of America’s credit cards for illegal aliens program that makes it easier for illegal aliens to be here and remain under the radar.
There must be a Federal, State and Local government proclamation putting illegal aliens and their supporters on notice. The proclamation will clearly state that from a certain date forward, these entities consider illegal immigration a grave problem that will be met with total enforcement of our laws. In essence, the proclamation will make formal, a policy that no longer tolerates illegal immigration. Amazingly in today’s environment, this is absent.
Having all of these things in place at the same time will allow attrition to work to it’s full potential. It addresses the here and now by stopping the flow at the border and through immediate work place enforcement and spot raids. It gives the exodus order in that those not caught at the workplace, will be given up to a year to leave, before ALL social benefits run out and before eligibility of future naturalization is forfeited.
Additionally, the magnets for illegal aliens will have been eliminated. There is no reason for illegal aliens to want to come or stay here. There will be no jobs, no hope for amnesty, no anchor babies, no social benefits.
Most importantly, this ten point approach doesn’t compromise the rule of law and our Constitution.
Adding the elimination of social benefits to strict enforcement is sure to work. Eisenhower showed us in the fifties that enforcement itself works. The added element of “no magnets” will only fortify that technique.
For the most part, it is the illegal alien advocacy that touts massive round ups and deportations. Knowing how unpleasant it could be to witness that. With attrition, there is a lesser degree of the unpleasantness. With attrition, the illegal aliens will leave the same way they came, under their own volition and their own expense.
Yes we can deport 12 million people. Eisenhower through Operation Wetback, deported about a million back in the fifties. Actually, less than 100,000 were arrested and deported. The other 900,000 seeing the crackdown and laws being enforced, deported themselves. This proves that enforcement works. It proves enforcement aids attrition.
A side note to Ike’s handling of the immigration issue in the fifties is he actually implemented a Guest Worker Program strictly for agriculture. It worked too.
Agriculture migrants were allowed to work and did leave at the end of a 54 week period. You can do these things if you have the spine to enforce laws and have a workable system. Today we don’t have these things.
So there you have it, a sensible ten point plan to eliminate illegal immigration. One that upholds the very foundations of our nation, the rule of law and the Constitution. Let the debate begin."
That's one of the big ones that I keep coming back to.
And oh, by the way, if they don't do anything, Maria and her buddies take it as a sign of weakness and head out the next day to stage a riot where they wave the Mexican flag, scream epithets against Americans in Spanish, and generally engage in terrorism and intimidation on U.S. soil.
I mean, does this look like just a bunch of poor, mistreated refugees?
Or the citizens of another nation trying to occupy and rule ours?
More evidence of the chaos these parasitic invaders force upon us.
Their "legal groups" keep saying even though these people are "undocumented" they have rights under US law.
The questions is----under which laws?
Our courts are clogged with the chaos these people impose on us.....not to mention the inconvienence and cost to American taxpayers.
“Their “legal groups” keep saying even though these people are “undocumented” they have rights under US law.
The questions is——under which laws?”
Thank you!
then with your permission I will use it in a letter form to my reps in D.C., as well as others....May I have your permission to copy and use?
It's amazing how Fernando wants things to be done legally only when it suits his cause. Those other pesky immigration laws, well they don't need to be enforced.
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Chaparral has been crime ridden for years. I wouldn’t be suprised if 50% of the residents are illegals. The Dona Ana Sheriffs Department has more action in this area than the rest of the county combined.
BTTT
La Raza is probably giving lessons on ways to advance their cause.
What a travesty. Basically the LEOs are being told to overlook at least TWO infractions (one being their illegality) if the perpetrators are illegal. This is an affront to law-abiding citizens.
“Startled, she came to the door and answered his demands to know who called 911. No one, said Maria, a 50-year-old illegal immigrant who asked that her last name not be published. But the deputy, whom she couldn’t name, insisted he had to come in and look through the house.”
She couldn’t name the officer but has a doggie citation signed by said officer. Sniff test failure on this story.
>are illegal immigrants protected from Constitutionally granted protection from search and seizure without probable cause?<
Yes, they are! Why, you may ask?
BECAUSE we are not required to carry or produce an ID Card just because a LEO asks for one. There is no national ID Card requirement in America. At least not yet.
If you are walking down the street, a police officer cannot demand that you produce identification without just cause. If you happen to be a cute little gal, why should you have to give a strange man your name and address? Because he wears a badge?
He must place you under arrest with just cause, in other words you must be under suspicion of committing a crime and he must have reasonable suspicion to demand that you show ID proving you are not the crime suspect he is looking for.
A police officer cannot ask for ID because he thinks you are in the US illegally, I’m pretty sure that only ICE officers can do that. Now if someone told him you are an illegal and he has had the 248g training, then he can ask that you show proof of being here legally.
Should illegals be awarded the same rights that citizens have? Until you can figure out a way to protect my rights about not having to carry a National ID Card, or have a nationally accepted ID Card with me 24/7/365 then I guess we’ll just have to let the situation continue.
I suppose we could build a fence on the border. That is probably one of the best ideas I heard of to date.
Criminals are...........illegal.
BOR wasn’t an issue here.......the illegal called 911. She invited a LEO to her door and into her home for safety purposes by doing so. SOP for most departments is to speak and peek while in the home to insure a home invasion or domestic violence incident hasn’t occurred.
The illegal issue here is incidental to the original 911 call with the LEO profiling the person who could not speak english. Huffers wear t-shirts with gold paint on em......shoplifters wear baggy jackets in warm weather, certain vehicles are more prone to theft. all vehicles with a broken window are considered stolen, ...........LEO’s and Little Gators call it profiling.
This is a simple act of a LEO profiling the illegal. He didn’t arrest he filed a standard after action field report which led to action the next day I suspect........
Illegals are criminals.....that is why the call em illegals.
I will say this ....I’d have called 911 on this LEO after he had time to check my home for unauthorized persons .....that is usually a 5 minute process at best. After his 3 +/- hour stay he overstayed his welcome . I also wonder why a backup LEO was not there as well..... no LEO in his right mind deals with a 911 call or domestic alone.........
lots of questions on this incident. Yet far from a violation of anyone’s rights.........
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