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Posted on 09/28/2007 9:42:58 AM PDT by Dubya
Hmmmm....
I thought I remember the Preamble to be "We the PEOPLE of the United States", which didn't really say "we the citizens" of the United States, either.
There seemed to be a lot of common sense applied to the wording (if I recall it correctly from long-ago school days), and the INTENT was to provide a form of Government for the NATION, where those who lived in the country, or wanted to, would be required to take an OATH to abide by it.
Maybe those who have interpreted the Constitution should AMEND it to say "We the foreigners who have sneaked into the United States for freebies at others' expense", or words to the effect of how it has been mis-interpreted and mis-used?
The "people" or "persons" arguments don't even pass the smell test, yet Lawyers have used activist Judges to twist the words to fit their interest or THEIR personal bias.
sorry, but I would be helping to round up the illegals....I know I would be able to keep my guns, and the second would probably not be suspended by declaring Martial Law, for to repel an invasion would demand America stay armed, unless hellery, or some other democrat was in office.
If that is the case why are there certain places in the Constitution and Bill of Rights that say "Citizen" and others that say "People?" Certainly, the Founding Fathers would not use two different words to mean the exact same thing.
This is not a crazy idea of mine but rather would the SCOTUS has stated for over 140 years.
I would not take that to the bank, no matter what Party was in power.
BTTT
However, no matter how many illegals stream across our borders this President will never see it as an invasion and thus never resort to Martial Law.
And yes, as soon as the illegals cross the border they are blessed with the very same Constitutional Protections as you and I.
If someone calls 911 officers are required to go to the residence where the call originated and make sure all is well. They usually do not simply take the word of whoever answers the door. This is all for good reason, in cases of domestic violence- it would be a bad situation if a injured/deceased victim was in a back room while the perpetrator simply sent LEO away by saying “all is well” at the door. This reasoning is what allowed the officer to look around the home after the 911 call.
As far as LEO checking for citizenship- if you are driving a vehicle you have to be able to produce ID upon being stopped. If you are unable to produce ID you will very likely be detained- no matter what your citizenship is. I would imagine she had no drivers license to prove her identity- so LE asked her for other ID- Social Security card- etc.
I read nothing here that would pertain to illegal search or LEO doing anything wrong or out of the ordinary. This article is simply an attempt to slant normal procedures into something else. What is really happening here is LEO in some areas are starting to apply the same procedures to everyone- not single anyone out. LEO in many places have been overlooking illegals violating laws that citizens have to comply with. Many LEOs have been told in the past to overlook it if a person they believed to be illegal could not show valid ID- drivers license- proof of insurance, etc- while NOT OVERLOOKING THE SAME THING WHEN CITIZENS ARE INVOLVED.
So I have to give up my sidearms (weapons) because the President of the United States has no declared an invasion is taking place? If you aren't a democrat, you talk or type like one.....
However, no matter how many illegals stream across our borders this President will never see it as an invasion and thus never resort to Martial Law.
LOL....now I can tell you....don't bank on it....
And yes, as soon as the illegals cross the border they are blessed with the very same Constitutional Protections as you and I.
Yes illegals are given equal protection just as criminal are given equal protection.....and make no mistake....illegals are viewed as criminals, as are those who aid and abet the illegals.
My only point is that under Martial Law, most likely all rights will be suspended.
LOL....now I can tell you....don't bank on it....
This is the very same President who is pushing Amnesty for Illegal Aliens. I don't imagine there will be much desire to declare Martial Law while Bush is attempting to force Amnesty for Illegals.
Yes illegals are given equal protection just as criminal are given equal protection.....and make no mistake....illegals are viewed as criminals, as are those who aid and abet the illegals.
And that is why you cannot go kicking in their front doors and searching their homes without a warrant.
The police screwed up in this case of that woman in New Mexico.
What party do you belong to again?
I’m not a legal expert, but my gut tells me no.
The Constitution protects criminals as well as those that abide by the law. It protects foreigners in the US as well as citizens.
The Constitution enumerates the powers of the government as well as limitations on that power. It does not say you can search someone's home and if you find out after the fact that they are they were there illegally, that makes it OK after the fact.
With the exception of foreign combatants, I can't think of any case where the courts have said that an alien, legal or illegal, does not have the same constitutional rights as a citizen.
So here’s a summons, Maria,
Hand it to your spouse.
Tell your kids you’re going away,
Gonna start a new life . . .
I’d think the Framers would not want the rights guaranteed in the Constitution applied to illegal aliens. However, the ACLU has a different take on things.
When someone calls 911 and just hangs up the phone without speaking, the dispatcher sends an officer to the house to investigate. The officer will insist on searching the home to find out if someone in the home called 911 and was prevented from speaking and might be held against their will.
The phone call to 911 creates probable cause for the search.
Notice how the article leave out if there actually was a call to 911. All it says was she denied it when the officer arrived. If the call was placed, even by a child playing with the phone, probable cause to search exists.
Best post in the whole damn thread.
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That is just a simple fact and not my opinion.
BTT
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