Posted on 09/25/2007 9:02:17 PM PDT by Dallas
If true, the oil companies will bury this invention.
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You need extra sheets of tinfoil in that hat.....
That’s probably the most succint overview of the laws of thermodynamics that I have heard.
Dallas, not to be rehashing this old discussion, but the question you *always* have to ask, is, how much energy it took for them to create the hydrogen to burn, whatever ‘magic’ process they used. If it took more than what you get by burning the hydrogen produced, it’s useless and most likely it has some kind of a scam attached to it.
And they *never* say how much they used. Because, if they measured it correctly, it was far more then what they got out. See law #1.
I loved the episode where they corroded jailbars using salsa and DC current!
The important question here is how much energy is required to start the electrolytic reaction as this is what seems to be happening.
Secondly, this may be a much cheaper way to extract hydrogen instead of the conventional method of using expensive platinum plates from water or from existing hydrocarbon fuels (natural gas, etc) since those methods produces a lot of CO2 by product waste.
Perhaps this is a new RF method for efficiently releasing molecular energy similar to neutron bombardment in fusion reactions.
Considering how simple this method appears along with all that THEY had to go through to decrease the efficiency of fusion power to not upset the status quo we can probably say this guy's a Dead Man Walking. ; )
Err fission power....
Probably. But that announcer could generate some heat....
Let me guess, you got this in an e-mail that said send this to everyone in your address book? This hoax has been posted on FR multiple times before.
OK, OK, I heard you the first time.
Gee, I don’t know. I like the first version better.
Note that these paraphrases shift the semantic ground as they go along, so they are obscurantist in-jokes, and not pedagogical aids.
Note that the First Law says that you always break even precisely, in terms of energy conservation.
The Second Law says that you can’t run a closed cycle at 100% efficiency, hence, “you can’t break even”, but this is in a different sense than the first paraphrase.
The Third Law says that you can’t reach Absolute Zero, which could be seen as some sort of escape, if you could do it, and it continues the poker theme, so it has to be granted a modicum of cleverness.
I don’t know how you would construe the Third Law as, “You can’t even come close” because it says you can get as close as you please to Absolute Zero, but you can never make it all the way.
The modern Philosophers Stone.
This RF water trick and fusion are two different animals. In the case of the water, you are just bonding and unbonding atoms. You take a stable, low energy molecule of water, put energy into it, and you get two high energy hydrogen atoms and one high energy oxygen atom. And when they bond back together (as in combustion), you get back the same amount of energy that you put into them (minus losses due to inefficiencies). With fusion, you are actually converting matter into energy. You are feeding the reaction some energy in the form of energy (to keep it going) and some energy in the form of matter. You get back a lot more energy than you put in, because the matter has been converted. This is not the same as simply bonding and unbonding atoms.
And what is powering the EM field?
This particular claim has been made hundreds of times over the past 50 years or so. It resurfaces every once in a while. Here's a few sites that list these devices for your reading pleasure:
How the scam artists operate:
I’ll share, for free, the secret of generating 10,000 watts of electricity from ordinary water.
First, start with a 1 megawatt nuclear power facility and a large supply of water.
Second, use the electricity from the facility to break down water into its component elements.
Third, burn the hydrogen to generate heat to run a turbine to generate the electricity you want.
Yet another demonstration of how utterly clueless the media is about hard science. If the media can’t understand the basic laws of conservation that are taught in 7th or 8th grade, why would anyone believe their accounts about the environment, medicine or cosmology?
Thermodynamics strongly suggest it’s not a new energy source; but it might be a new method for desalinization of sea water. And it’s a nice addition to the science of water chemistry.
it's quite hillarious to read these idiots postings. they are quite oblivious to what they are actually doing.
These people are what our school is churning out as high school graduates, our "future."
God help us.
I promise I’m not trying to start an argument, but I don’t get why this automatically violates the laws of thermodynamics.
I suspect that since it takes 200 watts to generate the waves used to release the hydrogen that it does require more energy than is released and therefore nothing buy hype. That’s obvious, but the numbers on that aren’t out yet.
In terms of wattage I really don’t know how much is actually being released by the process. It isn’t a case of creating energy but of freeing captured energy. If there are 201 watts released then it is a winning situation (I hate using watts for this since it is inappropriate, but other than temperature watts are the only numbers expressed.
I know that they are currently studying this issue, so I don’t think the automatic dismissals are justified just yet. On the other hand, this kind of research could probably be done in a really short period of time—like before they put out the press release.
Again, just wondering why people seem to automatically think this violates the laws of thermodynamics.
Hmmm, had a girlfriend like that way back in the 60’s. Could get real close but just couldn’t quite make it.
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