Posted on 09/22/2007 9:18:05 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
The following is a letter written by Mitt Romney to the Washington Establishment. It is without a doubt one of the boldest statements made by a presidential candidate. As a Republican he says it exactly right. You may not support him, but if you are a true conservative you are going to agree with him. Many conservatives have already seen this letter and are taking it to heart.
Romney has been praised by many conservatives for taking this strong step toward getting our nation back on track. Richard A. Viguerie, author of Conservatives Betrayed: How George W. Bush and Other Big-Government Republicans Hijacked the Conservative Cause (Bonus Books, 2006), had this to say about Romney’s stance:
At last, a top-tier presidential candidate is paying attention to the discouraged, disheartened, and disillusioned base of the Republican Party. I commend Mitt Romney for urging the GOP leadership to return to its conservative values.By releasing an ad chastising the Republican leadership for its excessive spending, immigration amnesty, and ethical slackness, Governor Romney has taken a small but significant step toward reclaiming the GOP for the grassroots conservatives who are its backbone.
I hope you will read Governor Romney's Letter and Watch the ad in its entirety.
(Excerpt) Read more at blog.virginianfederalist.com ...
It is exactly the point. You say that we believe things we don’t (and, incidentally, try to use those things that we don’t believe as bludgeons), and mention isolated quotes as support for your claims.
When we tell you that you are mistaken, you take that as an attempt at deception (as in the erstwhile #100) or spin (as in #136), and you keep using the false accusation to continue bludgeoning us. I don’t pretend to understand this phenomenon; but I’ve seen it in several people here with whom I’ve engaged in apologetics.
What you say, Tanty, is theoretically possible, but is not a practical thing carried out.
LDS theology makes much of the saints "sustaining" the prophet; and D&C has verses talking about this "sustaining" being done--even thru votes of general authorities.
Beyond those who are on their way out of the church, or those who have already left the church, I haven't heard of a band of LDS saints coming together to openly and publicly oppose a teaching of the current prophet, have you? I mean, beyond some "regular" Mormons-turned-fundamentalist over D&C 130 (polygamy as an everlasting covenant)--like what is written about in Under the Banner of Heaven--I haven't heard, "Well, we prayed to God about this teaching and didn't receive a confirmation, so we're opposing you on this matter." [Frankly, that would be unheard of and would be immediately "punished" in the church by failing to sustain their prophet.]
Isn't sustaining the living prophet a matter that would keep (or keep off if they failed) a member on the temple rec list? Take a look at what's happened to some BYU profs over the years when they "prayed and strayed" from the narrow banner.
I am sure it is pathetic to you natural man ears, or why else would you continue resort to railing against the LDS as you process your thoughts through the arm of flesh.
What you say is true; but, then, if I felt that the Lord was telling me that the prophet was false, as a seeker of truth, I wouldn’t want to be in the Church very long, would I? There are some such, and they do leave. God be with them. (As a sidebar, it’s not very “cultish” of us to let them leave, is it? Perhaps we need to review our policies...)
There hasn’t been a real rebellion in the Church since Rigdon and Young. Some members did break away at that point; the first of the splinter groups were thus formed. I suppose one could also look at the revokation of plural marriage for more rebellion.
Some people rebel in their own lives; you mention BYU profs. There are some who come to believe that their wisdom exceeds God’s. They quickly lose their way, because they lose that inestimable quality of teachability. Their pride in their own wisdom pulls them away.
Now when you said:
“What you say, Tanty, is theoretically possible, but is not a practical thing carried out,”
it was in response to my statement about verifying truth with the Lord.
I’m here to tell you, it is not only practical, but commonplace for those who wish to ask. It’s a singularly edifying experience to have the Holy Spirit testify the truth of a principle to your soul and mind; and it’s a more enduring experience even than seeing an angel would be.
Many people don’t realize that prayer is, in fact, two-way communication, or can be if you’re open to receiving wisdom and being taught at the Lord’s hand.
It seems incredible to me to think that there are those who believe they can sway the hearts of Mormons that have been cemented in place by this testimony of the Holy Spirit. It cannot be done. I don’t just -believe- certain things. I -know- certain things - because I’ve knelt, asked, and received the response. How is it that somebody can expect me to turn against these things that I know? How is it that somebody thinks they can convince me that the sun doesn’t rise in the East? Joseph Smith was a prophet of God. The Book of Mormon and the Bible are the word of God. Jesus lives and is the Christ. These are some of the things that I know.
Because of this knowledge, I’ve had the patience to prayerfully study the claims of our detractors. I am not swayed by the doubts that such claims inevitably engender, because my faith is built on a solid foundation. In the end, every one of them falls apart under closer scrutiny, and my faith grows more as each doubt is squashed. Oh, the detractors don’t agree with me; but I’m more concerned with my own pursuit of the truth than with theirs.
All this was the long-winded way of saying, yes, we can verify truth with God. And it is a foundational precept of our faith.
~”Such sophistry! Bwahahaha”~
Yuh-huh. Thank you for the concession.
Best regards.
Natural man it is not me you have to take serious it is the Lord!
How do you verify truth with God MHG?
Everything from greasy pizza to lactose intolerance can duplicate the Mormon burning in the bosom. But it is not possible to falsify what God's Word states and has remained 'on the record' for two thousand plus years.
Faithe cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God. Faithful is He that calleth you, for He will also do it. Many are called but few are chosen ... because so few will let Him do it. He fulfilled the law so that we may have His faith when we believe and faithe in the transforming work of His Holy Spirit. Salvation is by faith not of works, lest any Mormon boast of their 'doing all that they can do' to be worthy. You and I will never be able to be worthy of so great a work as Christ accomplished upon the cross, being the propitiation, the High Priest, and the advocate with The Father.
First, His blood made atonement. Then, His resurrection made possible the entrance of God's Spirit into our spirit, to transform us from within, a work we are wholly unable to accomplish being children of Adam.
You continue to want to twist your senario of the LDS to fit you template!
What ever the LDS says to you or those like you falls on death ears!
Most of the LDS are a Godly people, and most in the Mainline faiths are Godly people.
But not all Godly people follow the Lord commandments and really as witness here to Love One Another which also means not to contend for that is not of the Lord.
Sharing and exchanging for better understanding is proper but to berate another is not how the Lord expects those who love Him to act!
When one is in the mode of the natural man his judgments come from the arm of flesh!
When one is meek and humble and allows the spirit of the Lord to lead than one allows righteouness to speak for them.
When that happens one is in the state of walking in the Lord.
Gal 5
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
The counsel is too...
17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself adelivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I bsaw two cPersonages, whose brightness and dglory defy all description, estanding above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My fBeloved gSon. Hear Him!18 My object in going to ainquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all awrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those bprofessors were all ccorrupt; that: “they ddraw near to me with their lips, but their ehearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the fcommandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the gpower thereof.”20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself alying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, bmother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother, “I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.”
So is Jeff Warren.
So just WHO did GOD 'literally' have intercourse with to 'create' us?
This is the purpose of life - to be tested to see if we are will obey God and be worthy of His highest gifts.
Good luck!
You - just - don't - get it; do you?!
We KNOW that you haven't a CLUE as to what we believe, so, therefore, you MUST be mistating every time you open your mouth!!!
--MormonDude(I know whom, I have believed...)
See; AGAIN you do not know!!
There’ll be no NEW marriages in Heaven; but the ones on Earth, that had been sealed, for all eternity, in accordance with the ETERNAL COVENANT will still CONTINUE in Heaven!
We’ll be a vast group of happy humpers, but the REST merely gets to WISH they’d had the blessing of a faithful Mormon wife (or two...) to comfort them in the endless time to come!
—MormonDude(Goin’ to Kansas City; Kansas City here I come!)
HH alert!
D&C 132:01–06, Exaltation is gained through the new and everlasting covenant;
Like JW's?
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