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Parallel universe proof boosts time travel hopes
The Telegraph ^ | 9/21/2007 | Roger Highfield

Posted on 09/22/2007 8:52:50 PM PDT by bruinbirdman

Science fiction looks closer to becoming science fact.

Parallel universes really do exist, according to a mathematical discovery by Oxford scientists that sweeps away one of the key objections to the mind boggling and controversial idea.

The work has wider implications since the idea of parallel universes sidesteps one of the key problems with time travel. Every since it was given serious lab cred in 1949 by the great logician Kurt Godel, many eminent physicists have argued against time travel because it undermines ideas of cause and effect to create paradoxes: a time traveller could go back to kill his grandfather so that he is never born in the first place.


Time travellers: David Tennant as Doctor Who
with Billie Piper as Rose

But the existence of parallel worlds offers a way around these troublesome paradoxes, according to David Deutsch of Oxford University, a highly respected proponent of quantum theory, the deeply mathematical, successful and baffling theory of the atomic world.

He argues that time travel shifts between different branches of reality, basing his claim on parallel universes, the so-called "many-worlds" formulation of quantum theory.

The new work bolsters his claim that quantum theory does not forbid time travel. "It does sidestep it. You go into another universe," he said yesterday, though he admits that there is still a way to go to find schemes to manipulate space and time in a way that makes time hops possible.

"Many sci fi authors suggested time travel paradoxes would be solved by parallel universes but in my work, that conclusion is deduced from quantum theory itself", Dr Deutsch said, referring to his work on many worlds.

The mathematical idea of parallel worlds was first glimpsed by the great quantum pioneer, Erwin Schrodinger, but actually published in 1957 by Hugh Everett III, when wrestling with the problem of what actually happens when an observation is made of something of interest - such as an electron or an atom - with the intention of measuring its position or its speed.

In the traditional brand of quantum mechanics, a mathematical object called a wave function, which contains all possible outcomes of a measurement experiment, "collapses" to give a single real outcome.

Everett came up with a more audacious interpretation: the universe is constantly and infinitely splitting, so that no collapse takes place. Every possible outcome of an experimental measurement occurs, each one in a parallel universe.

If one accepts Everett's interpretation, our universe is embedded in an infinitely larger and more complex structure called the multiverse, which as a good approximation can be regarded as an ever-multiplying mass of parallel universes.

Every time there is an event at the quantum level - a radioactive atom decaying, for example, or a particle of light impinging on your retina - the universe is supposed to "split" into different universes.

A motorist who has a near miss, for instance, might feel relieved at his lucky escape. But in a parallel universe, another version of the same driver will have been killed. Yet another universe will see the motorist recover after treatment in hospital. The number of alternative scenarios is endless.

In this way, the "many worlds" interpretation of quantum mechanics allows a time traveller to alter the past without producing problems such as the notorious grandfather paradox.

But the "many worlds" idea has been attacked, with one theoretician joking that it is "cheap on assumptions but expensive on universes" and others that it is "repugnant to common sense."

Now new research confirms Prof Deutsch's ideas and suggests that Dr Everett, who was a Phd student at Princeton University when he came up with the theory, was on the right track.

Commenting in New Scientist magazine, Prof Andy Albrecht, a physicist at the University of California, Davis, said of the link between probability and many worlds: "This work will go down as one of the most important developments in the history of science."

Quantum mechanics describes the strange things that happen in the subatomic world - such as the way photons and electrons behave both as particles and waves. By one interpretation, nothing at the subatomic scale can really be said to exist until it is observed.

Until then, particles occupy nebulous "superposition" states, in which they can have simultaneous "up" and "down" spins, or appear to be in different places at the same time.

According to quantum mechanics, unobserved particles are described by "wave functions" representing a set of multiple "probable" states. When an observer makes a measurement, the particle then settles down into one of these multiple options.

But the many worlds idea offers an alternative view. Dr Deutsch showed mathematically that the bush-like branching structure created by the universe splitting into parallel versions of itself can explain the probabilistic nature of quantum outcomes. This work was attacked but it has now had rigorous confirmation by David Wallace and Simon Saunders, also at Oxford.

Dr Saunders, who presented the work with Wallace at the Many Worlds at 50 conference at the Perimeter Institute for Theoretical Physics in Waterloo, Canada, told New Scientist: "We've cleared up the obscurities and come up with a pretty clear verdict that Everett works. It's a dramatic turnaround and it means that people now have to discuss Everett seriously."

Dr Deutsch added that the work addresses a three-century-old problem with the idea of probability itself, described by one philosopher, Prof David Papineu, as a scandal. "We didn't really know what probability means," said Dr Deutsch.

There's a convention that it's rational to treat it for most purposes as if we knew it was going to happen even though we actually know it need not. But this does not capture the reality, not least the 0.1 per cent chance something will not happen.

"So," said Dr Deutsch, "the problems of probability, which were until recently considered the principal objection to the otherwise extremely elegant theory of Everett (which removes every element of mysticism and double-talk that have crept into quantum theory over the decades) have now turned into its principal selling point."


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KEYWORDS: callingartbell; drwho; manyworlds; paralleluniverse; paralleluniverses; quantumphysics; quantumtheory; stringtheory; timetravel
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To: CheezyChesster

Um, to nit pick you, it is you’re when contracting ‘you’ and ‘are’ (second person singular of ‘to be’), not ‘your’.


101 posted on 09/23/2007 10:07:51 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support. Defend life support for others in the womb.)
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To: COgamer; Salamander; Alamo-Girl; betty boop; All
"No scientist worth ANYTHING would ever present “proof” of a controversial theory. Even theories that are more or less “proven” remain labeled theories because other, as yet undiscovered, explanations could exist."


Try telling that to a Darwinist on a crevo thread.
102 posted on 09/23/2007 10:18:09 AM PDT by shibumi (".....panta en pasin....." - Origen)
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To: mnehrling
I’m taking this theory to the next level.

If all possibilities occur from any event, just in parallel universes, then at the very beginning when the very first split occurred, wouldn’t there also have been a universe created where there were no parallel universes, since that was a possible outcome. I think we live in that universe and thus the theory may be valid for all the other universes where parallel universes exist, but not in this universe where they don’t.

Where’s my government grant? I need it to buy a big bottle of aspirin.

103 posted on 09/23/2007 10:25:15 AM PDT by HundredDollars
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To: bruinbirdman

If the parallel universe theory is true and a separate universe exists for every possibility, than in one of these universes, I am master of you all and you are all my slaves. I am going to attempt to find my way into that universe. See you all there and be prepared, I have a lot of work for you all.


104 posted on 09/23/2007 10:36:06 AM PDT by SamAdams76 (I am 64 days away from outliving Freddie Mercury)
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To: MHGinTN; RightWhale; betty boop; hosepipe; P-Marlowe; MarkBsnr; Forest Keeper
You never have sensed an event in the present of the actual occurrence, yet your mind manufactures a scenario of 'present' based upon faithe in the constancy of spacetime phenomena rooted in the receiving of past events processed after the fact. Your very living is a time travel process, my brainy friend.

Indeed. Thank you so much for your engaging post!

The subject of time is dear to me as you well know – and I can easily get carried away (LOL!)

To be brief and focus on the spiritual aspects rather than the geometry, I should mention first that time is a part of Creation and not a limitation of the Creator. Indeed, the word “timeless” would be more appropriate in discussing the Creator of space and time and therefore, causation itself – i.e. the First cause, the uncaused cause is God.

And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. – Exodus 3:14

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. – Revelation 1:8

I [am] he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. – Revelation 1:18

Remember the former things of old: for I [am] God, and [there is] none else; [I am] God, and [there is] none like me, Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times [the things] that are not [yet] done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: - Isaiah 46:9-10

Personally, when I weigh anchor from this fleshy body - I fully expect to be able to observe God’s beautiful and enormous physical Creation in ways I could not physically owing primarily to the speed limit of the physical universe, i.e. the speed of light.

But I also expect to be able to observe events throughout Creation (spiritual or physical) whether I would have considered them “past” or “present” or “future” while I was yet in the flesh - traveling my worldline in space and time.

Indeed, I expect to be able to observe what Christ did for us while He was enfleshed. How wonderful it will be to hear Him speak the Sermon on the Mount!

Also, I expect my own mortal life (worldline in space and time) to be an open book which, thank God, will be rolled up in the scroll along with everything else in this heaven and earth:

For there is nothing hid, which shall not be manifested; neither was any thing kept secret, but that it should come abroad. – Mark 4:22

And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling [fig] from the fig tree. – Isaiah 34:4

And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. – Rev 6:14

Our experiences along our worldline in the flesh pales in comparison to what God has provided for us!

And to think, some people believe the next life will be boring. (snicker...)

Maranatha, Jesus!

105 posted on 09/23/2007 11:33:19 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: shibumi

LOLOL!


106 posted on 09/23/2007 11:34:26 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Nervous Tick

Too true! One portal into a parallel universe is through your clothes dryer.


107 posted on 09/23/2007 11:39:21 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Rose in RoseBear
I appreciated Asimov.

I understood Heinlein.

108 posted on 09/23/2007 12:08:50 PM PDT by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken)
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To: bruinbirdman
So, somewhere there exists a universe in which I never cried, never fell off a bike and skinned me knee, made straight A's without any study, won summer and winter Olympic gold medals, won the Heisman trophy as a freshman linebacker, won the Heisman again but as a sophmore tailback, won it again as a junior wide receiver and won it again as a senior quarterback. Won Nobel prizes every time they were handed out. Joined the military, became the youngest Chairman of the Joint Chiefs in history. Was elected president twice. Never had a sniffle, never experienced a headache or hangover. On and on the items go even including being immortal.

Call me a skeptic.

109 posted on 09/23/2007 12:26:29 PM PDT by fso301
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To: uptoolate
The last time I watched was when this guy just took over

It is getting good now. They brought back The Doctor's arch-nemesis "The Master"

"The Master" survived "The Time Wars" by hiding his Gallifreyan Time Lord "self" in a pocket watch so that he could appear human to "The Daleks."

110 posted on 09/23/2007 12:36:13 PM PDT by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken)
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To: bruinbirdman
Parallel universe proof boosts time travel hopes

Unfortunately, you can't go to any of those parallel universes without running into Dr. Who, so time travel really isn't worth the trouble.

111 posted on 09/23/2007 12:40:22 PM PDT by x
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To: higgmeister
After Tom Baker, the Doctors are also rans. But the current one is pretty good! The Doctor used the pocket watch trick, too!
112 posted on 09/23/2007 12:40:34 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support. Defend life support for others in the womb.)
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To: bruinbirdman
Well this is merely "modal logic" and not necessarily embraced by any physicists that I know of, but the late philosopher David Lewis (Princeton prof) had a theory that can be called extreme modal realism:

"Lewis's best known, and most controversial theory is that there exist an infinite number of concrete and causally isolated parallel universes, of which ours is just one, and which play the role of possible worlds in the analysis of necessity and possibility...."[Wikipedia]
113 posted on 09/23/2007 12:41:08 PM PDT by Enchante (Current Democrat war-fighting motto: "bleat, cheat, defeat, and retreat")
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To: shibumi
Try telling that to a Darwinist on a crevo thread.

I predict the 90%+ would be in complete agreement with the sentiment. As am I.

114 posted on 09/23/2007 12:42:28 PM PDT by edsheppa
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK

TARDIS = Time And Relative Dimensions In Space


115 posted on 09/23/2007 12:43:23 PM PDT by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken)
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To: Enchante

I keep wanting to know why “I” can’t live in that parallel possible world in which “I” can do and have and be anything I want, even better than a Superman...... Jessica Alba would be just the beginning of my hedonistic delights.......


116 posted on 09/23/2007 12:43:23 PM PDT by Enchante (Current Democrat war-fighting motto: "bleat, cheat, defeat, and retreat")
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To: bruinbirdman

I’m my own Grandpa!


117 posted on 09/23/2007 12:44:00 PM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution ? 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: bruinbirdman

If it does exist, do they have a need for a hundred million liberals?


118 posted on 09/23/2007 12:45:20 PM PDT by RockinRight (Can we start calling Fred "44" now, please?)
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To: bruinbirdman

119 posted on 09/23/2007 12:57:01 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: MHGinTN
After Tom Baker, the Doctors are also rans.

Without question!

120 posted on 09/23/2007 12:57:05 PM PDT by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken)
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