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Rudy tells NRA that 9/11 altered his gun views
Newsday.com ^ | September 21, 2007 | CRAIG GORDON

Posted on 09/21/2007 2:36:52 PM PDT by neverdem

Rudy Giuliani told the National Rifle Association Friday that his own views on gun control have evolved in part due to the Sept. 11 attacks, which he said highlighted the importance of the Second Amendment right of allowing law-abiding citizens to carry guns.

Facing a group that he once likened to "extremists," Giuliani sought to temper his past strong support for national gun control laws by saying he could no longer support a lawsuit he filed as New York mayor in 2000, which was designed to hold gun-makers liable for gun violence.

Giuliani said "there have been subsequent intervening events -- Sept. 11 -- which casts somewhat of a different light on the Second Amendment and Second Amendment rights. It doesn't change the fundamental rights, but maybe it highlights the necessity for them more."

Giuliani has built his presidential campaign on convincing Republicans that his performance after the Sept. 11 attacks shows he is the strong leader America needs -- but it was the first time he had linked his personal views on gun control to the terror attacks.

The lawsuit -- which ironically was being debated in a New York appeals court Friday as well -- was one of the sharpest points of disagreement between Giuliani and the gun–rights lobby, which he criticized as President Bill Clinton's leading Republican ally in pushing for a national assault weapons ban.

Giuliani rival John McCain also criticized the former mayor's tactics Friday, calling it a "particularly devious effort to use lawsuits to bankrupt our great manufacturers. A number of big-city mayors decided it was more important to blame the manufacturers of a legal product than it was to control crime in their own cities."

Former Tennessee Sen. Fred Thompson also addressed the meeting of about 400 NRA members, winning by far the...

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To: neverdem
Is this Saul on the road to Damascus?

More like John Kerry in an orange jump suit pretending to be for gun rights.

Why anyone would believe RINO Rudy is beyond my ability to comprehend.

141 posted on 09/21/2007 7:53:35 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky
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To: neverdem

So he had a come to Jesus moment, eh? Then we elect him, and like baby Bush on spending and borders, he does the Sarah Brady switcheroo. No thanks.

If I could trust him with my guns, I wouldn’t mind him for president. I think he would be an effetiver leader. But I don’t.

Thanks, but no thanks. I’ll stick with Tommy Gun for president in 2008. Rudy, if you’ve truly come to Jesus over guns, you have the next 8 years to prove it and I’ll be happy to vote for you in 2016.


142 posted on 09/21/2007 8:03:20 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free
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To: M203M4
“We need a federal law that bans all assault weapons, and if in fact you do need a handgun you should be subjected to at least the same restrictions-and really stronger ones-that exist for driving and automobile.” Rudy Giuliani, March 2, 1997

This statement is at the heart of the way this ignorant, gun grabbing, New York City politician thinks. There is no law anywhere in the U.S. that an automobile be registered if you don’t intend to drive it on public roads. There are no restrictions on who may buy or drive one either, no license or test is required as long as it is kept on private property. Yet owning an automobile is not a right under the Constitution. But owning a gun is a right, yet we are restricted by a number of unjust laws, restrictions, and licenses restricting that right.

Giuliani is just another lying, gun grabbing, big city politician with no respect for the Constitution of this land who will say, or do anything to get elected.

143 posted on 09/21/2007 8:13:44 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (If you don't want people to get your goat, don't tell them where it's tied.)
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To: neverdem

No, not Saul: this is a Liberal Yankee trying to run as a Conservative.
Think Lincoln Chaffee, Arlen Specter, Olympia Snowe, et al.

Where’s that picture of him in a dress?
It would make more sense than the idea of Rudy carrying a gun - or letting you or me own one.


144 posted on 09/21/2007 8:24:50 PM PDT by Redbob (WWJBD - "What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: maine-iac7
"He has the fortitude and honestly of a ... hmm, I’m stuck for a comparison. I don’t want to insult anything, be it animal or inanimate"

How about "jellyfish?"

Jellyfish aren't so easily offended, even at being compared to Rudy.

145 posted on 09/21/2007 8:28:51 PM PDT by Redbob (WWJBD - "What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: neverdem

Thanks for the ping!


146 posted on 09/21/2007 8:39:57 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Redbob

jellyfish...

Yeah, that’ll do


147 posted on 09/21/2007 8:41:17 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (",,,but you can't fool all of the people all of the time." LINCOLN)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

guffaw


148 posted on 09/21/2007 8:42:40 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (",,,but you can't fool all of the people all of the time." LINCOLN)
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To: neverdem
Of course September 11 changed his view of gun control. Before September 11, he didn’t think he had a chance at the presidency. After 9-11, he thought he could have a chance but would need to spin a record that should disqualify him for the GOP nomination or the presidency.
149 posted on 09/21/2007 8:44:26 PM PDT by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Well then there now - that about covers it.

(snicker)


150 posted on 09/21/2007 8:58:10 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (",,,but you can't fool all of the people all of the time." LINCOLN)
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To: neverdem

Uh-huh. Have your BATF agent call my BATF agent and let’s do lunch sometime...

Comprehensive List of Handguns *NOT* Outlawed by Mayor Rudy Giuliani
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1806614/posts

Rudy Defends his gun lawsuit as Mayor (Video)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1806590/posts


151 posted on 09/21/2007 10:26:08 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: nctexan
What does anyone one care of history if the candidate is now singing the right words and hitching their cart to the right horses.

Past actions are a better indication of future actions than current words. Words are cheap, promises easily ignored once a politician has power.

152 posted on 09/21/2007 10:34:35 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance

Thanks for the links.


153 posted on 09/21/2007 10:58:24 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: neverdem
Thank you Obewan Rudy you are are only hope.
154 posted on 09/21/2007 11:04:19 PM PDT by Brimack34
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To: Pistolshot
Where the heck is my BS detector??

Jeeze... do I have to help you out every time?

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155 posted on 09/21/2007 11:09:39 PM PDT by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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To: neverdem
What get's me is that he sticking to his "guns" on abortion. I can't tell if he had a genuine conversion about the Second Amendment, just like after some catastrophe there's a new increase in gun sales and concealed carry permits, or if it is just pandering. Drat!

I'll take a gander on the pander (sorry - couldn't resist!). Otherwise, he would have spoken out for gun rights on 9/12, rather than waiting until he had real Republicans to answer to and not just the NYC variety.

156 posted on 09/21/2007 11:43:10 PM PDT by Tabi Katz
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To: neverdem

From NR today, grades on our guys.

The Quick Read on How The NRA Crowd Liked The Candidates

Basing my grades entirely on crowd reactions at today’s NRA “Celebration of American Values,” I’d grade McCain B+, Thompson A, Rudy B+, Huckabee A+. I will give Romney and Richardson C+s for their video presentations - they’re well done for what they are, but no video can command an audience’s attention the way a candidate in the flesh can. Duncan Hunter is scheduled to appear by video later today. Newt Gingrich is also expected to appear, in person, but unless he gets his $30 million by November, he’s not in.

09/21 03:16 PM


157 posted on 09/21/2007 11:53:58 PM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: glock rocks; ulm1
Fine. Oppose Rudy , Elect Hillary. Imbecile

So that's our choice?

158 posted on 09/22/2007 12:07:47 AM PDT by XR7
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To: neverdem

Nice try Rudy, but gun owners are not the dumb hicks you think they are.


159 posted on 09/22/2007 12:18:06 AM PDT by Bogtrotter52 (Reading DU daily so you won't hafta)
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To: Bogtrotter52

You know, it’s 1 in the morning, so forgive me if I only stick around long enough to answer 1 or 2 posts, but I gotta tell ya, guys:

You’re getting yourselves all in a tizzy, and if our least-desireable pubbie gets nominated, then you’re gonna pout and make Hillary President and Bubba VP(unofficially). Indirectly, you will hang our boys in Iraq out to dry and do a good decade’s worth of damage to the military ala Carter. I hope, no, I PRAY that this is all just part of our spirited debate that we, unlike the RATS, have in our primary.

But if you Blue Falcons don’t come together once we have a nominee, I’ll be pissed. Personally, I like Hunter. But damn-it: I’ll vote for any of the current crop of republicans (yes, even our own Howard Dean: Ron Paul) before I let the Murthas, Pelosis, Clintons and Reids have their way with us. You bastards better have our 6 regardless of who our nominee is.

That is all.


160 posted on 09/22/2007 1:09:44 AM PDT by RedQuill
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