Posted on 09/21/2007 11:30:49 AM PDT by brent1a
FORT BRAGG, N.C., Sept. 17 — From his position about 100 yards away, Master Sgt. Troy Anderson had a clear shot at the Afghan man standing outside a residential compound in a village near the Pakistan border last October. When Capt. Dave Staffel, the Special Forces officer in charge, gave the order to shoot, Sergeant Anderson fired a bullet into the man’s head, killing him.
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Being able to make pretty power point presentations at the right times and in front of the right people has always done well for some W/ their advancement - Trust me -
In fact, those who are unwilling to take risks, those who are unwilling to think outside the box....are very often promoted within our current risk adverse system (especially prior to 02 - But even now it is only marginally better).
I assume you are joking other wise you should go work for Murtha. Relaxing of the current PC rules does not mean rape, killing everthing that moves or even stealing his goats.
If you are realy serious then you need to back to Moveon.org.
Even so, there may well be value in letting this go through, if only to confirm the ROE currently in place. Long-term it probably helps more than it hurts.
Which is, again, why I say "on balance." I don't deny the very real downsides, but I also don't reject the possibility that there's something amiss here.
There you go, the old socialist, liberal, standby: That by fighting a PC war in which all morals are upheld we will certainly triumph.
I've got an experiment for you. Go to a house that's infested with fleas or cockroaches. Now, because you are morally superior to the fleas and cockroaches you will simply spray raid on only the ones you see. Because to be PC you must give the rest a chance to leave the house on their own, we can't be savages and just bug-bomb the whole house or burn it down.
Let me know how that works out for you.
If you have questions about the CIDs investigation (you investigate that) you don't prosecute two warriors for murder as your response! (of whom the CID cleared).
You are absolutely wrong. Absolutely. Full stop.
You are correct.
To gain the rank of general you have be approved by Congress. I think it is the Senate. Any officer who runs a foul of any of the powers in Washington will have a hard time reaching a general’s rank.
I have known and have worked with many of the them. Some are extraordinary while one can only wonder how others attained their positions.
The media circus and Murtha face-time aspects of Haditha, yes.
If a hearing will serve to confirm the ROE, and resolve the apparent ambiguity surrounding this case, then in the long view I'd count it a good thing.
If you have questions about the CIDs investigation (you investigate that) you don't prosecute two warriors for murder as your response! (of whom the CID cleared).
Perhaps not ... but that's where there's ambiguity.
One of the interesting points in the NYT story is the statement from the guy who supposedly made the accusation (the paralegal sergeant). When he reviewed the case without knowing of the CID investigation, he thought it was murder. And then he changed his mind after hearing that CID had cleared them. There's a hole there that the story doesn't fill.
It suggests to me that the real facts could be more muddled than they're made out to be. Maybe this hearing needs to take place, if only to clarify such issues.
I'm through wasting my time on you.
Yah, I would bet money that hole is the fact that the paralegal sergeant didn't follow chain of command. Had he followed the chain this inquiry would've been stopped long before it even got started. I have a feeling this paralegal sergeant thought he was going to be a championed whistle-blower and get a corespondent contract with CNN or MSNBC.
Your position is absurd. There are plenty of ways within AAR to clarify issues.
And no, there is no ambiguity, if you have problems with a CID investigation....the answer is not to ignore it and simply bring murder charges anyway...(against two men, risking their lives 24/7 for this Nation).
You investigate those on the CID team (perhaps). You ask for another CID team to look into this particular situation. But you don't simply bypass it and bring murder charges.
This is a General that is playing politics.....
“r9etb” inability to rationally understand the issues brings the forth apparent view that this a Moveon.org plant. He has been present well thought out positions repeatedly, yet he can only retort with PC answers. Let him wallow in his own ignorance.
Oh, wow..... So a newbie like you pulls the old "I can't argue logically so the other guy must be a leftist plant" trick.
Pathetic.
Pointless discussion, since all you and I have to go on is our opinions.
He seems to have a real problem with Special Forces. He’s the one who relived the Marine Spec Ops guys in Afghanistan and then ran to the Washington post and accused them of murder.
Yeah, it's just great for our image to have Generals accuse snipers of murder even though they were given a lawful order to erase the target. It's even better when that General runs to the Washington Post and calls a Marine company murderers without being in full possession of all the evidence ...kind of like Murtha?
If there is to be an inquiry, let them investigate within the military. Once the media is involved, the lives of the soldiers are put at risk and our image is tarnished. No one will remember they were cleared of charges....all they will remember is the allegations of a politico.
It is a military inquiry. And the soldiers' own lawyers are the ones who are talking to the media.
There is a certain segment within the regular Army that is extremely hostile towards Special Operations. If they could destroy them, they would.
The shooting was investigated twice by the Army and the gentlemen were not found guilty of anything. Their actions were judged lawful. It became news when Kearney ordered them to be charged with premeditated murder AFTER it was found they had lawfully killed the combatant. Sgt Haarer, is on record stating he would never have signed the charges if Lt. Cmdr. Velvel had informed him the two men were cleared of charges in two prior investigations, information that should have been provided in the report.
Are you starting to see the big picture yet?
Golly, jess. I read that in the article, too -- which is why I've said several times on this very thread that it appears that the soldiers acted properly.
Sheesh. If you're gonna get all snotty toward me, you should at least make sure it's about something legitimate.
Personally, I can't even imagine an "illegal or improper" scenario, where a designated illegal combatant/terrorist/bomb builder on a whack list is whacked.
Minor individuals don't usually get on a whack list...
That honor is reserved for key or very "troublesome" assholes....who deserve no consideration or vote on the time or manner of their death...
Once an individual goes on a whack list -- he's a dead man walking - by any means necessary...
Something else must be going on here, for this General to be putting these men to this nightmare..
Unless of course the General is an asshole....
ALL the information to date - would indicate a clean whack.
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