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Where are all the Ron Paul people coming from?
The Oregon Poll ^ | 9-20-7

Posted on 09/20/2007 6:40:58 PM PDT by Petronski

Over the last two days The Oregon Poll was seen by almost 400 "unique visitors," most of them in support of Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul. The majority of these people came from these two links on the web.

ronpaulforums.com

stormfront.org


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To: Petronski

ANS: The basements of mommies across the nation.


521 posted on 09/22/2007 5:50:30 AM PDT by Scarchin (+)
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To: tacticalogic

I made neither epithet nor perjorative, but, except for my four-word summation in one post, stuck to the facts. Even the unflattering analogies I used (government as a neglectful parent) were targeted against those Paul criticizes. But you have no way of refuting what I say, so you mock outrageous statements which I did not say.


522 posted on 09/22/2007 5:58:24 AM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

If RP had voted to hand over control of what you can and can’t watch on television to Congress, there would still be porn on cable.


523 posted on 09/22/2007 6:02:16 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: dragnet2
"Dealing with your responses is an uttter waste of time."

Wrong!

Freepers who are anti-Iraq war need one of two things.

1) You get zotted for good, sent to some forum more suitable to your suicidal foreign policy beliefs
2) You leave Freerepublic forever

You can't be a anti-Iraq war AND a Freeper without endless and relentless attacks by me and others.

Be prepared for a lot more of this.

524 posted on 09/22/2007 6:18:51 AM PDT by lormand (Anti-War kooks need to GTFO of FreeRepublic)
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To: tacticalogic

It’s a way of bumping the thread. Not so boring as BMFLR.

That’s why we see so many “Bush’s fault” posts, that kind of thing.


525 posted on 09/22/2007 7:44:09 AM PDT by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: Kevmo

Ah. A “me too”.


526 posted on 09/22/2007 7:51:18 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: dangus
On the other hand (and I doubt this is wht the thread or Petronski were TRYING to say), this insignificantly tiny datapoint hardly is evidence that anyone who supports Paul is likely to be a member of Stormfront or any other such organization, or that Paul has in any way condoned or solicited such support.

None of this matters. Everything will be done by Petronski to smear a good and decent man just because he happens to advocate the same foreign policy position on foreign wars that a majority of freepers advocated when Clinton was in office (remember Kosovo?)

527 posted on 09/22/2007 7:57:54 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: BlackElk
eanwhile, the administration of Ronaldus Maximus knew well that the "paleos" were the funny uncles in the attic of the GOP and that they were not and never would be ready for prime time. They were politely ignored by Reagan until finally they figured out in 1986 that they were not credentialed and were not going to be. Until then, they told themselves that they were in line. In 1986, they figured out that they were NOT in line and they exploded in rage, not that anyone other than they cared.

You left quite a bit out of your history. Rather than the "funny uncle" Paul was in the GOP mainstream during the Kosovo War. Rush, DeLay, and Hannity and most freepers, like Paul, opposed that war as Wilsonian. A majority of Republicans in the Senate (almost all conservatives) voted for an end to bombing even while our troops were in harm's way. Heck, even though Bush supported Clinton's war, even he called for a more humble foreign policy. It is not Paul who has strayed from this anti-Wilsonianism but the rest of the party. Some old-time freepers remember this well (though some choose to "revise")

528 posted on 09/22/2007 8:04:35 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: lormand
You can't be a anti-Iraq war AND a Freeper

Question, how did you stand on Kosovo? Pro or antiwar?

529 posted on 09/22/2007 8:10:51 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: tacticalogic
OK, you turned on your television, saw naked people, and Ron Paul made it happen.

How big a donation to RP do we have to make so he'll put naked people on our TVs too?
530 posted on 09/22/2007 8:15:40 AM PDT by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: ejonesie22


Comment #531 Removed by Kevmo



531 posted on 09/22/2007 8:19:22 AM PDT by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: DugwayDuke
However, you’ll find this is the media kit for AFP. If you follow the link you’ll find the statement on page two of the pdf: “We are also proud to publish these columnists”.

That's "these columnists". Not "our columnists".

Operations like that have to be very careful about libel. They leave the impression that those are columnists for them in the normal sense. But they are simply non-copyrighted columns from 3 different writers that can be published anywhere without notice or even attribution. You'll also find that they will re-title the pieces from what I've seen.
532 posted on 09/22/2007 8:19:53 AM PDT by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: Captain Kirk; tacticalogic
tacticalogic wrote:

I realize politics can be a nasty business, but the fact is what's going on here is a plain old Borking.

'Borking', -- a verb meaning "to attack a person's reputation and views unfairly".

I agree, the mans reputation is being smeared.

However, fair questions are being raised about his constitutional views on war-making powers, - questions that he has not [to date] answered satisfactorily.

So, - just like Bork, he has brought the whirlwind down on his own head.

TL:
I know there's some legitimate questions involved, but I don't see this as having the potential to provide any rational answers.

Captain Kirk wrote:
-- a good and decent man [is smeared] just because he happens to advocate the same foreign policy position on foreign wars that a majority of freepers advocated when Clinton was in office (remember Kosovo?)

Good point, capt'n, -- one that illustrates this controversy over war powers does have the potential to provide rational answers.

Many here saw Kosovo as clintonian politics, cynically cloaked as 'saving the world for democracy'.
I doubt any here see Iraq in that light.

533 posted on 09/22/2007 8:38:13 AM PDT by tpaine (" My most important function on the Supreme Court is to tell the majority to take a walk." -Scalia)
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To: tpaine

Disassembling a watch has the potential to provide rational answers about how it works or why it doesn’t. Doing it with a sledgehammer and a cutting torch will render whatever potenetial there was pretty well worthless.


534 posted on 09/22/2007 8:53:16 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: DugwayDuke; SJackson
Sorry, SJackson is absolutely correct in his assertion that Ron Paul is “advertised as a regular columnist for the American Free Press”. In support of this claim I provide the following link: http://www.americanfreepress.net/Media_Kit_Ad_Sizes_New.pdf

Yes, I have seen that quote before. SJackson has used it several times. The problem is that, as I said, these aren't columns written for the AFP. They're merely reprints of uncopyrighted columns from his House website. Yet, SJackson continues to imply that they were written for the AFP by using that misleading quote.

BTW, if you use the google search engine on the AFP home page limiting the search to AFP, you’ll get 144 hits on Paul and 51 on Ron Paul within that website.

Nearly all of those are articles which merely mention Congressman Paul at some point. Only a couple appear to actually be written by him.

About the only defense remaining to you and GWB would be a claim that Ron Paul has not authorized them to use his name or his work. That is a rather weak defense open to attack along these lines: “Why hasn’t Ron Paul denied an organization of this nature, the use of his name or works?”

He hasn't specifically authorized them to do so. I don't know whether he could deny them permission to use his columns while maintaining their status as uncopyrighted works, so having them reprinted in some undesirable places is the price you pay for having the columns distributed as widely as possible.

535 posted on 09/22/2007 9:38:59 AM PDT by JTN (If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.)
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To: okie01

You may be correct Okie, in your statements about his war on terror stance, but I saw him only once on TV, and his approach to the Illegal Alien situation hit home with me. Here in California, we are totally being robbed in our taxes, fees, ever higher bond measures, surcharges, levies, and even more taxes to curb the gang violence and to support these people. I never read or saw any of his comments on the war. I might think differently about him then.
We are fighting a losing battle on illegal immigration here.


536 posted on 09/22/2007 11:26:35 AM PDT by Jennikins (It matters not what we want, as we are being ruled, not governed.)
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To: JTN; DugwayDuke; dangus

There is no doubt that an assortment of liberaltarians, truthers, white Aryan supremacists, and antiwar cut and runners have all found a home with Ron Paul. My problem with the situation was that if he considered himself to be a columnist for the white supremacist organization, then he obviously agreed with their beliefs. But, it seems as if he only appears for the benefit of the supremacists. He himself receives no benefit from them and they obtain the column material in the same way anyone else can. There is no special arrangement with Ron Paul.

I don’t believe that Ron Paul sought out their affiliation, so I can not blame him for having any of the ideas the white supremacists hold. But, I still believe he needs to disassociate himself from the Aryans because when it suits the MSM, they will attempt to paint him and other republicans as supporters of racists, whether it is true or not.

Ron Paul may be a crazy loon but he doesn’t seem to be a noxious one.


537 posted on 09/22/2007 11:42:58 AM PDT by Waryone (Constantly amazed by society's downhill slide.)
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To: Captain Kirk; Allegra; ejonesie22; SoldierDad; Petronski; mnehrling
The Kosovo "war" was the Arkansas Antichrist's way of sucking up to the Islamofascisti. While no civilized person would miss Slobodan Milosovich (sp.?), neither were actual American interests at stake in Kosovo. Unless you think oil irrelevant to our society and its strategic interests, your analogy is a complete failure.

Interventionism does not mean that we must attempt to fight every war or to create wars where they are not needed. It means fighting when and where we choose for reasons of our choosing. The utter failure of isolationist paleocowards to distinguish between interventionism and globaloney or globalism or messianic Wilsonism is yet one more reason disqualifying the social misfit movement from any excuse for calling themselves (yourselves) conservative.

PaleoPaulie is an eccentric jerk who would not know American interests if they jumped up and bit him which they will when the caucuses and primaries start. At that point, he and you who support his craven candidacy will surely find out how few actual Republicans and how few actual conservatives support the candidacy of the paleosurrenderman.

Appearing as a multiple visitor on Alex Jones Show will not help him. Nor will the earmarks that he insists be included in appropriations bills to grease his constituents while he poses for fiscal conservative holy pictures voting against the enacted bill. Nor will his filing pro-life bills while denying that the fedgov has any jurisdiction to protect the unborn. Nor will his faux "constitutionalist" act where he favors this policy or that and even files bills but regrets that nothing can be done about whatever because of the constitution. He is a two-faced phony and fraud. After all, he is a "paleowhatever."

While he is not an anti-Semite, he draws them as supporters. His idea of foreign policy is to stand idly by while Ahmanutjob and the Iranian mullahs prepare nuclear weapons to incinerate Israel, an American ally. That is good enough for the actual anti-Semites and skinheads to support him. The latter category is also attracted by the libertoonian vision of a drug intoxicated society which, rightly or wrongly, they and the aging hippie types ascribe to him.

Anti-Wilsonianism???? Maybe that is relevant to paleoworld but not to conservative world. Since conservatives were never Wilsonians (We hate the UN as we hated the League of Nations). Lovers of international diployak was not a description of conservatives of the actual variety. Nixon was NOT a conservative. Nor was Eisenhower. Nor was Feckless Ford. Nor was Bush the Elder. Bush the Younger has had the intestinal fortitude to attack our enemies when they have attacked us. PaleoPaulie wants to hide his feathered head in the sand ostrichstyle like the late and unlamented Eurocoward Neville Chamberlain. PaleoPaulie and his followers are permanently attainted by the stench of surrendermonkeyism. He is not and never will be acceptable as a Republican presidential candidate. Nor are those few who publicly share his views while posing as Republican: UpChuck Hagel, Weepy Walter Jones, John (?) Duncan of Tennessee and a handful of other obsolete war wimps.

Your position seems to be that only Dr. Demento is holding fast to what you hallucinate is the GOP foreign policy dogma but is in reality nothing more than warmed over peacecreepism (Abbie Hoffman, Jerry Rubin, Jane Fonda posing as Audie Murphy, Harold Moore and Kate Smith does not work) and that 98-99% of the GOP has defected. Talk about the tail (or something in that vicinity) wagging the dog!

Soon enough, paleoPaulie will be back to the Libertoonian Party braying in the wilderness and becoming the Liberty Bell Lemke of our time. Lemke had vocal followers too.

I included the relevant history and left out the usual self-serving Paulistinian lies. A Republican motto for war comes from the late Douglas MacArthur who is rumored to have known a thing or two on the subject: In war, there is no substitute for victory!

A HUMBLE foreign policy????? Does the US have reason to be humble???? If we are humble, how many innocents die while the paleocowardice caucus hang out tut-tutting against, well, violence and being so proud of an American with no more backbone than to sit back and watch the slaughter with equanimity. If paleowhatevers took over our government, would they resurrect Cain to be their Secretary of State or their Defense Secretary???? He was not his brother's keeper either, as you may recall. Any senator of whatever party or whatever philosophical persuasion should be ashamed of any vote to cut off bombing in Kosovo while our troops were in the field. OTOH, the last Guy who was perfect was crucified for his efforts and we are not expecting to see His like again except under truly extraordinary and rather final circumstances, and even then, not likely as a US Senator.

If the GOP has ever been so lacking in imagination and principle as to define its foreign policy (in the formula of limp-wrist antiwar antiAmerican Justin(e) Raimondo and his antiwar.com) as "anti-Wilsonian," rather than favoring genuine human freedom consistent with moral tradition, it should not so defined its foreign policy. We can ill afford a policy of sitting back and waiting to be attacked AGAIN by the Islamofascist enemies of our nation. Destroy their movement in its crib by PREVENTIVE WAR as necessary to protect the USA from the consequences of allowing Islamofascist A Bombs.

I came on board as a Republican when I was a teenager in 1963 or 1964 in response to the decidedly interventionist Goldwater campaign. That was the year when the Northeastern money obsessives lost control of the national GOP. It turned out that Goldwater was up to his eye balls in Planned Barrenhood and support for homosexuality and abortion. In those respects, he was no better than the northeastern liberals whom he had toppled. We then continued on to Ronaldus Maximus with Goldwater playing dog in the manger all the way (with due apologies to man's best friend).

We ain't going back. We are also not credentialing or including the social misfits and ideological eccentrics who are the lesser (pseudoRepublican) wing of paleoPaulie's supporters and we are not ignoring the fact that he draws heavily upon the pro-drug, antiwar left for supporters. You folks can pose as you wish but you cannot extinguish the sad reality of this silly "paleo" movement and its sillier candidate. Not only will your pathetic candidate NOT be nominated, much less elected, but he won't be taken seriously by the overwhelming majority of Republicans because we know better than to buy his pro-Al Qaeda snake oil. He remains a "funny uncle."

Oh, and because actual conservatives do not share your eccentric reading of history, does not mean that we are "revising" history, quite the contrary.

538 posted on 09/22/2007 12:05:37 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: Captain Kirk; Petronski; dangus

CK: If you are going to attack Petronski by name, you ought to display the courage to ping him to your attack on him. As to “smearing” paleoPaulie’s character, there is not much to smear.


539 posted on 09/22/2007 12:12:40 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: BlackElk

I have one simple respone to your post;

Ditto...

(we are revising history, riiiight...)


540 posted on 09/22/2007 12:16:38 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (I don't use a sarcasm tag, it kills the effect...)
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