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Victor Davis Hanson: Why It’s So Hard to Win
The American ^ | September/October 2007 Issue | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 09/20/2007 5:26:09 AM PDT by Tolik

As we’ve seen in Iraq, premodern enemies have become more effective in insurgencies against postmodern societies. VICTOR DAVIS HANSON tells why.
Why It’s So Hard to Win

Image credit: Photo by flickr user pingnews.com.

Is it five or ten—or fifteen—years that are necessary to win wars of counterinsurgency such as Iraq? By now, Americans are well acquainted with such warnings that patience—along with political and economic reforms, not just arms—defeats guerrillas.

In these messy fights, Western nations can’t, for both practical and moral reasons, use the full advantages of overwhelming arms against terrorists that hide among civilians. Such conflicts are fought far from home for perceived long-term security interests, rather than the immediate survival of the United States. And when the rising cost in blood and treasure cannot be easily explained, restive voters often give up rather than insist on eventual victory. For confirmation of that fickleness, recall the summary Western withdrawals from Algeria, Vietnam, Lebanon, and Mogadishu.

True, in our occasional despair over the bad times in Iraq, we should remember that ultimately the United States defeated the Philippine insurrectionists (1899–1913), the British won in the Malaysia uprising (1948–60), and, by 1971, the Americans had finally, after nine years, gotten counterinsurgency right in Vietnam before funds were cut off.

So what factors in the 21st century now determine whether a Western nation can still succeed in wars not to their liking?

First, there is the degree to which terrorists can obtain weapons sophisticated enough to kill well-protected soldiers of a far more affluent society. That requisite need not mean parity with the arsenal of the more advanced nation, but rather only the ability to nullify much of its technological superiority.

The terrorist always scores points when his cheap, workmanlike weapons triumph over high-tech gadgetry—think of simple rocket-propelled grenade rounds blowing apart a $2 million Blackhawk helicopter, or simple, imported roadside bombs still immune to the countermeasures dreamed up by a Pentagon task force.

In the past, the ability of insurrectionists to get their hands on Western weaponry required physical proximity to Westerners. But now, in a globalized marketplace where profit trumps ideology and distance has collapsed, successful killers in the Middle East may need only a petro-rich patron, a mail-order catalog, and an overnight-shipping account. The Israelis learned that lesson well enough in the recent Lebanon conflict when they encountered Hezbollah militiamen wearing jeans but also outfitted with sophisticated, off-the-shelf night-vision goggles, body armor, hand-held rockets, and computer-tracking software.

Second is the enemy’s desire and ability to kill the requisite number of Westerners in sufficiently savage fashion—hanging their corpses on a bridge or executing them on the Internet—to cause large-scale demoralization on the home front. Savagery is a force multiplier: the more horrific the carnage on the suburban televisions of America, the better.

Losses, and the nature of how they are inflicted, are more critical even than the duration or financial cost of these new wars. Few worry that we have had American troops in the Balkans for nearly a decade—simply because they are not dying or being tortured on the Internet.

Nihilism is likewise a terrorist plus. Traditional doctrine insists that blowing up Muslims at an Islamic funeral or beheading innocents will eventually turn the populace against such nightmarish terrorists. Perhaps. But in the short term, such grotesqueries may sooner turn off a refined Western public whose support is critical for the continuation of the war. The more likely response is no longer, “We must defeat such savage bullies,” but rather, “Why would we want anything to do with a society that produces such monsters?”

Third, there is the problem of new global communications—another advantage for insurgents who want to exhaust the West. It is often said that had the weeks in the hedgerows after D-Day (June to late July 1944) or the Battle of the Bulge (December 1944 to January 1945) been televised each hour on CNN or Fox—with real-time email and cell phone communications with beleaguered soldiers in the field—we would never have won either battle. Both victories saw horrific casualties as a result of intelligence failures and sheer incompetence, but our culpable generals counted on enough of a window of public ignorance to rectify their mistakes and continue the battle.

None of these developments means that we won’t win in Iraq, stabilize the nascent democracy there, and help bring prosperity to the heart of the Middle East. But we should accept that in a world of increasing Western material comfort, it is becoming far harder for postmodern societies like the United States and Europe to fight ever more premodern foes.

Victor Davis Hanson is the author of Ripples of the Battle: How Wars of the Past Still Determine How We Fight, How We Live, and How We Think .



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1 posted on 09/20/2007 5:26:12 AM PDT by Tolik
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2 posted on 09/20/2007 5:27:19 AM PDT by Tolik
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To: Tolik
VDH bump.

Patience as an American virtue? Now there's a test.

3 posted on 09/20/2007 5:29:14 AM PDT by onedoug
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http://victorhanson.com/index.html#Anchor-Angr-12734
Editor's Note: In this section we entertain letters from the critics. Some readers are angry, some are not so angry, and others merely frustrated. August 28, 2007

I thought the Mission had been Accomplished, that major combat operations have ended, and the U.S. and its allies have prevailed. No WMD. Greeted as liberators. Stuff happens. Insurgency in its last throws. As they stand up, we will stand down. The "Plan for Victory in Iraq," that one is still on the White House website. Guess they are too ashamed to remove it, or maybe Barney the dog is in charge of the White House website. That would make perfect sense given the track record of this administration.

Wait, here is an oldy, but a goody. Remember when Wolfowitz said the Iraqis will pay for the reconstruction, and fairly soon. Thats a good one!

Why, oh why, do all you right wing Bush apologists live in a delusional world. You cannot talk about Iraq, and victory, and all that other nonsense without mentioning that the same people who brought you all those bogus claims are also the same ones who you claim will be bringing us this victory.

I am not sure what War in Iraq you have been watching, but this is the most incompetent group of people ever to run a war in our nations history. I dont know if you have noticed, but we have been making "progress" since 2003.

At long last sir, how can you defend that?

Hanson: The mission against Iraq in 1991 to eject it from Kuwait ended in only partial success, given that Saddam still butchered and stayed in power. Then Iraq II went on with 12 years of no-fly-zones and bombing attacks (5,000 Iraqis claimed killed?) like Operation Desert Fox. Then Iraq III ended with the fall of Saddam and his Baathists. Now we are in Iraq IV, the most ambitious of all the four wars to foster a constitutional replacement for Saddam's genocidal regime. So I'm afraid the war has been going on for 16 years through three administrations.

As far as WMD, the administration erred in privileging that casus belli — since a majority of Senate Democrats voted for 22 others reasons to go to war in Iraq, from violations of the 1991 accords, to genocide, to sponsoring suicide bombing and harboring terrorists. They saw the same intelligence that the administration did. A review of Clinton-Kerry-Feinstein, etc statements concerning WMD do not differ much from those of Bush-Cheney.

So far a majority of Iraqis prefers Iraq of today to that of Saddam's, and still wish us to stay on to help train them to take over. Gen Petraeus's surge is not intended for perpetual occupation, but to provide a window of opportunity for Iraqis to gain the upper hand against the jihadists. We all wish we had avoided errors and mistakes, but I can't remember a war yet in which there were not lapses, most of which cost far more American lives that we have seen in Iraq.

Unfortunately you know nothing of history and so like most on the Left think that your age, your circumstances, your views are always unique and transcend some 231 years of our America past. Do you know anything about the winter of 1776? Or the summer of 1864, or Spring 1917? Or the Pacific in 1944, or the Bulge, or November 1950? There an "incompetent group of people" did not manage a war that lost 3,000, but almost 100,000 dead and wounded alone in 2 months in the Ardennes, or 50,000 casualties in 6 weeks on Okinawa.

We can imagine your sarcastic letters after the hedgerows, or the 1942 B-17 attacks, or Tarawa, or Choisun, but fortunately until this generation yours was always a minority view. Unfortunately wars do not work like your i-Pod.

 

4 posted on 09/20/2007 5:31:47 AM PDT by Tolik
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To: Tolik
Victor Davis Hanson's basic point is that since Vietnam, Americans have become accustomed to wars with bloodless victories and low costs. As we've seen from our experience in Iraq in the past several years, real life is not like a video game war. Real people get injured and die. And there's reason to doubt the West has the stomach to prevail in a long slog match over less well equipped foes. We want victory fast and on the cheap. All of the foregoing elements help to illustrate why the Iraq War has promoted political strife and national disunity in America rather than confidence in its strength and hopes of eventual victory.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

5 posted on 09/20/2007 5:33:17 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Tolik

Why it’s so hard to win? A big reason is today’s Democrat Party and its allies here at home, creating resistance/dissent to winning. Whatever happened to “politics stops at the water’s edge”?


6 posted on 09/20/2007 5:36:18 AM PDT by izzatzo
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To: Tolik

The Phillipine Insurrection took 14 years. I see no reason why Iraq should take less. A 14-year duration is not a deal-breaker for me. I don’t see why it is to so many people. Not everything can be shoehorned into a 8-year window.


7 posted on 09/20/2007 5:40:47 AM PDT by gridlock (C'mon people now / Smile on your Brother / Everybody get together / Try to love one anoth-BOOM!)
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To: gridlock
Earlier generations of Americans had patience to wait for good things to happen in due time. Our current generation, brought up on MTV, video games and the microwave oven have no tolerance for deferred gratification. They demand instant results. Life however has a way of disappointing us. So the best answer could well be we're not as tough minded to wait for victory on terms that our forebears were more than willing to live with. The essential quality that's needed even in a world of fast-breaking news is patience.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

8 posted on 09/20/2007 5:49:14 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: izzatzo

Why can’t we win wars - answer the Dem pussies won’t let us. Remember they were running stories before we hit Afghaistan about 40,000 body bags being ordered by the Pentagon. The Dems are Americas worst enemy.


9 posted on 09/20/2007 5:52:30 AM PDT by Jigajog
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To: Jigajog
<...excerpt.. read more at his pajamasmedia blog.>

Another Tet?

Tet

Here we are nearly 40 years after Tet—and from the Left instead of Gen. Waste-more-land we have Gen. Betray Us. For the Wise Men under Dean Acheson reporting to LBJ, we have the Iraq Study Group. And in the midst of a surge, a President with low polls watches presendential candidates left and right taking shots at him, and many backing away from the war they almost all once supported.

By April 1968 it was impossible to explain that Tet had proven a horrendous enemy military defeat, as the North Vietnamese limped away after losing over 40,000 dead, and committing horrific atrocities in Hue. I say impossible—in light of the serial Herblock cartoons, the Cronkite CBS special announcing the impossibility of victory, the Eddie Adams photograph, the evocation of Khe sanh as the new Dien Bien Phu, and everyone from Art Buchwald to Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., declaring that the Tet was either Custer at Little Big Horn or the surrounded French. In the same manner, the good news of the surge matters little. So we are back to 1968, and soon to 1973-4.

<...excerpt.. read more at his pajamasmedia blog.>

Vietnam—circa 1973-4

I wrote the following for National Review Online following the President’s speech.

Everyone expected a September do/or die showdown over our presence in Iraq; but the good news from the surge and the absolutely insane, suicidal Democratic attacks against the best in our military have given the President another six months. He knows that the reprieve is limited—given the military’s manpower exhaustion and the public weariness over the human and material costs of staying.

So he wants to act fast of the heels of the successful statesmanship of Petraeus and Crocker, and take advantage of their window of opportunity.

He didn’t even mention Saddam by name; that war is over and won. What faces the United States now is a new war against radical Islam that continues to foment sectarian strife to destroy the young democracy and recreate another Afghan-like haven.

In response, the President offers a new American security commitment, like that once extended to Korea, that promises both Iraq and us long-term strategic stability arising from the tactical successes of the surge—and sweetened by future periodic American military withdrawals.

The policy sounds like Vietnamization, but this time backed by permanent American guarantees—supposedly by bipartisan consent—to evolve into something like South Korea rather than abandonment with helicopters on the Saigon embassy roof, and hundreds of thousands butchered and exiled.

Critics will say the speech is unnecessary given the stellar testimony of Petraeus and Crocker. They would have liked instead some explanation of what went wrong the last four years, and how those perceived mistakes were corrected to allow the present success. And by now most will be against whatever George Bush is for.

Perhaps. But all that matters now is whether critics have a better plan—get out now and downsize in the region? The answer is no.

Senator Reid’s response—training Iraqis, more diplomacy, steady withdrawals—didn’t sound much different from Bush’s plan. And that’s the opposition’s problem; there really is no alternative to the present course other than simple defeat and flight, one or other. The public may come to that defeatist position in time, but it is not there yet, and so neither for all their talk apparently are the Democrats.

Where are we? A frantic half-year race lies ahead to stabilize the country and curtail radically American losses. Soon the election cycle kicks in and there will have to be more accomplished than the present improvement to keep Republicans from bailing. We are on the cusp of 1973-4—a chance, after a long ordeal, to win at precisely the time the public is weary and the opposition most shrill.

So the country looks to Iraq and our maverick General Sherman outside Atlanta, where the battlefield, as it always does, will sort out the politics.

<...excerpt.. read more at his pajamasmedia blog.>

 

10 posted on 09/20/2007 5:59:04 AM PDT by Tolik
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To: Tolik
“First, there is the degree to which terrorists can obtain weapons sophisticated enough to kill well-protected soldiers of a far more affluent society.”

True. How sophisticated was the commercial airliner with a full tank of gas?

That is the point Americans and all Non-Muslims have to face for a VERY LONG TIME TO COME. As long as there is one remaining rabidly Anti-West, fundamentalist Muslim wildman left on earth with one box cutter... terrorism will exist. I don’t understand anyone who thinks that if we abandon our efforts in the ME and A’stan... things will return to ‘normal’. ‘Normal’ for any people trying to make their lives under oppression and tyranny of any kind IS AND ALWAYS WAS violence, poverty, brutality and ignorance... only now, the perpetrators are both capable of and committed to carrying their destruction and violence all over the globe. At any point in history and under unprovoked attack, the rest of the world outright begged us for deliverance from this and heartily condemned us while we sat here with our arms folded as others suffered. A success for the US is a success for everyone else (at our expense) and a failure for the US in this will be an unalloyed death sentence or worse for the rest of the world and a nightmare of violence and destruction which THEY will experience sooner and to a greater degree than we EVER will.

11 posted on 09/20/2007 6:41:14 AM PDT by SMARTY ("Stay together, pay the soldiers and forget everything else." Lucius Septimus Severus)
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To: goldstategop
Victor Davis Hanson's basic point is that since Vietnam, Americans have become accustomed to wars with bloodless victories and low costs.

That's because Americans have (correctly, in my opinion) decided that the U.S. government has no business fighting half-@ssed wars in Third World sh!t-holes unless they include bloodless victory and low costs.

If the costs weren't low and the victories weren't bloodless, then Americans would (correctly, in my opinion) demand the complete destruction of any legitimate enemy of this country.

12 posted on 09/20/2007 6:51:17 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: Tolik

WHY? This is no longer the America of our grandfathers. The host culture has been under a relentless assault on many fronts and several levels.


13 posted on 09/20/2007 8:04:34 AM PDT by HockeyPop
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To: Jigajog

That’s the point I was making, but your reinforcement won’t hurt.


14 posted on 09/20/2007 8:29:00 AM PDT by izzatzo
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To: Tolik
Unfortunately wars do not work like your i-Pod.

Tell 'em, Victor.

15 posted on 09/20/2007 8:41:49 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Alberta's Child; Tolik; NormsRevenge; Grampa Dave; blam; SunkenCiv; Marine_Uncle; Allegra; ...
To keep the S$thole from expanding ....we are trying to drain the swamp!

To anyone with any sense that would be a smart thing to do!

16 posted on 09/20/2007 3:33:35 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Tolik

It seems to me that the problem is that “victory” as it’s been defined over and over by this adminstration, isn’t anything that we can actually do anything about. It’s contingent on the Iraqis doing things that they don’t seem much interested in doing.


17 posted on 09/20/2007 3:56:48 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Apparently some on the Hill do not have to much sense. Assuming they actually are serious in evaluating what has gone down since March 2003, with of course a very myoptic viewpoint , verse simply not seeking a full picture, but touting the party lines of a few fools.
Such is life. At least GWB will not change course for the next fifteen months. It may be enough time for the insurgency to be paralyized and the Iraqi forces ready to take over.
18 posted on 09/20/2007 7:05:15 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Duncan Hunter for POTUS)
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Western nations can't, for both practical and moral reasons, use the full advantages of overwhelming arms against terrorists that hide among civilians... we should remember that ultimately the United States defeated the Philippine insurrectionists (1899-1913)
Wow, there's a bit of a nonsequitur. :')

Thanks Ernest.
19 posted on 09/21/2007 8:55:37 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Wednesday, September 12, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Tolik

The greatest success in the history of the armed forces (and coalition partners/Iraqis) of The United States of America.

We win every day, and will continue to win every day, by engaging the enemy.


20 posted on 09/21/2007 9:09:28 PM PDT by PGalt
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