What Socialized Medicine Is Really Like (Don't Read Further If You Love HillaryCare TM Alert)

Worldnetdaily.com ^ | 09/18/2007 | Joseph Farah

[goldstategop]

Get ready for this in the U.S. beginning in 2009 if Congress believes you voted for nationalized health care in the next election. This will be Hillary Clinton's No. 1 issue – and probably, after Iraq, the biggest issue for those running for Congress.

What's it going to be for you?

Do you want to live in a nanny-state where decisions about your welfare and your lifestyle are made by government bureaucrats?

Or do you want to preserve what's left of freedom in this country – maybe even expand it as our brave ancestors did?

Time is running out.

Right now, political inertia is pushing us closer and closer toward nationalized, socialized medicine in this country. It's not just Democrats supporting it anymore; Republicans are tripping over themselves to show how compassionate they are, too.....

This is not an aberration by the way. This is the rule in places where government decides who gets medical treatment and what kind and where and when and why.

This is where we're headed, and there is nothing even remotely compassionate about it. It represents a power grab by government. Government is supposed to be your servant, but with moves like this, it will become your master.

Decide now. The choice is clear – freedom or servitude.

[goldstategop]

This is the kind of compassion we can all do without. Government running our personal lives from cradle to grave. That is what HillaryCare TM aka socialized medicine represents. Its servitude. A lot of Americans are prepared to sign away their freedom simply because they hear the word "free" attached to a government program. That's not for those of us who want to have the freedom to decide how we want to live and make our own health care decisions. When you get right down to it, its really that simple.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

[crazyshrink]

If you don’t like the idea that Hilary can force you to have and pay for health insurance and national healthcare,
just wait til she tells you what is covered and what isn’t!!!!!

Think about this for a minute: Hilary is promoting “free” socialized healthcare. How long before a “co-pay” becomes another tax for liberals to smile about?

[EVO X]

That's not for those of us who want to have the freedom to decide how we want to live and make our own health care decisions. When you get right down to it, its really that simple.

HillaryCare2 won't get off the launch pad let alone go down in flames for that very reason...

[sphinx]

A lot of Americans are prepared to sign away their freedom simply because they hear the word "free" attached to a government program.

There are three basic constituencies for socialized medicine. First, there are the ideologically self-conscious leftists who realize that, like Social Security, socialized medicine is a very powerful instrument for collectivizing public attitudes and regimenting society. That is the leadership group.

Then there are the many people who are already on "program" medicine -- i.e., people who have very little choice in the matter and simply take whatever the system hands them. They are already living in a quasi-socialized system and see no downside in Hillarycare. They often resent the fact that others have a better deal and may take satisfaction at the prospect of dragging everyone else down to their level.

Finally, there are the tens of millions of people who pay little or no taxes and are eager to establish a blank check for "free" care.

There is considerable overlap between (2) and (3). Between them they add up to a lot of people, virtually none of whom have a glimmer of a notion that there is a better way. This is a formidable political challenge. To win, we need to be very explicit about what we are for, not simply what we are against, and we need to focus on making very concrete comparisons of the superiority of a market based approach.

[Soul of the South]

Add a fourth group. Aging boomers who are being downsized by corporations who have medical problems and can’t buy health insurance in the open market for their preexisting conditions or afford health insurance because they are living off savings before reaching the age at which Medicare kicks in. Ten years ago these people were productive members of society and opposed Hilarycare. Today they are struggling to find jobs and pay the bills. The safety net doesn’t look so bad when you are 55 year old middle manager who can’t replace her/his old income and are facing being underemployed or no job. The cost of health care really matters if you are in a low paying retail job. From that perspective, government paid health care looks very attractive.

I’m not arguing this is a good reason. I’m simply observing how people’s attitudes toward government can change dramatically given their circumstances.

A huge voting block of boomers is reaching the age at which they want to preserve what they have. Most people ultimately vote their self interest. Expect a large number of 50 somethings staring old age in the face to vote for government health care.

[Thermalseeker]

To win, we need to be very explicit about what we are for, not simply what we are against, and we need to focus on making very concrete comparisons of the superiority of a market based approach.

and by pointing out all of the abject failures and excessive cost overruns in everything gubmint bureaucracy touches.

[jabbermog]

Be warned of the consequences of free - healthcare - for - all .
We have had it since 1946 ; when it still served its proper purpose of treating returning WW2 servicemen and their dependents.
However , it is a very different story today . Our NHS is a monster consuming billions of £s each year , and the bill always increases above the rate of inflation . I wouldn’t mind if we got a decent service , but we don’t . Several thousand vulnerable patients die each year from super viruses while at the same time the Govt employs more pointless bureaucrats , eg. some bloke with a beard and sandals telling us how many lettuce leaves to eat each week. Add to that the scandal of illegal immigrants getting the same treatment as everyone else when they haven’t contributed a brass farthing , or unemployed induviduals having sex changes on the NHS when some of my elderly relatives have been turned away , it really is a right pig’s ear now and everyone sees it except the Government.

I tell you American taxpayers now this is how it would be your side of the Ocean ; tell your friends , family , and office colleagues the consequenses of voting for public figures who espouse the cause of socialised medicine.

If You still doubt me , I will give a run down of the sort of countries which have an NHS , and those who do not : -

SOCIALISED MEDICINE

Cuba
Most of Western Europe
Norway
Turkey
Vietnam
Venezuela
UK

NO SOCIALISED MEDICINE

USA
Australia
New Zealand
Japan
Switzerland
Israel

Canada , Austria , Cyprus - not sure !

[Badeye]

Anyone else stunned the same people that claim FEMA and the DOD are totally screwed up want to nationalize healthcare, and give it the same level of incompetence they rant about with those two government entities?

The hypocrisy is astonishing, but there is a nice benefit to this.

No rational person wants socialized medicine. And those that do are already in Hillary Clinton’s corner. She gains nothing from this she doesn’t already have politically in short, and guarantees conservatives will remaing united against her.

She can’t win against that.

[Unicorn]

BTTT

[Thermalseeker]

Be warned of the consequences of free - healthcare - for - all

Oh, I'm aware of it. You're "preaching to the choir".

I founded a field engineering company that provided field service on respiratory therapy equipment, i.e., respirators, anesthesia machines, apnea monitors, suction regulators, oxygen concentrators, etc. One of the major contracts we had before I sold the company was the Veteran's Administration (VA) Hospitals in several southeastern states. I've seen first hand how the gubmint handles health care and I want no part of it.

[sphinx]

Expect a large number of 50 somethings staring old age in the face to vote for government health care.

A properly constructed, market oriented system would be superior to HillaryCare for these folks as well. But we have to: (1) put our solution on the table; and (2) match the dems ad for ad and attack for attack to drive the message home. The case won't be made by default -- just the opposite; the MSM will pimp for Hillary.

In a market based system, we will have to subsidize care for lower income folks. How to define the parameters is a challenge, but it's one we need to address.

[VOA]

bump