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Polish leader honours massacred officers on Russia visit (see pictures)
AFP ^ | Sept. 17, 2007

Posted on 09/17/2007 11:24:17 AM PDT by lizol

Polish leader honours massacred officers on Russia visit

MOSCOW (AFP) — Poland's Lech Kaczynski on Monday made his first visit as president to Russia for highly charged commemorations for 22,500 Polish servicemen massacred by Soviet secret police in World War II.

The visit to Katyn in western Russia, where many of the killings happened, took place against a backdrop of heightened tensions between Poland and Russia since Kaczynski's rise to power in December 2005.

The visit took place on the anniversary of the Soviet invasion of eastern Poland in 1939, which occurred under a secret agreement between Soviet leader Joseph Stalin and Nazi German leader Adolf Hitler, the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact.

Together with victims' relatives, the Polish leader laid a wreathe and lit candles at burial sites of thousands of Polish officers, soldiers and civilians who were taken prisoner by the Red Army in 1939 then executed at Katyn forest, in Smolensk province near Russia's western border.

Kaczynski sounded a conciliatory note on relations with Russia, while also urging respect for the truth.

"The Soviet Union no longer exists. We have a new Russia. We should live for the future and consider the past with calm and wisdom, but also with respect for the truth," Kaczynski said, according to Polish news agency PAP.

"Today we should pay respect, we should preserve their memory. Historical memory, of what is good and of what is bad, is important. But this does not mean we want to feed only on this memory," he said.

Kaczynski took part in ceremonies both in a cemetery for Catholic victims and in another cemetery for Russian victims of Stalinist repression, a Polish embassy spokesman told AFP.

He was also to visit churches of the Roman Catholic and Russian Orthodox faiths.

Putin sent an envoy, Georgy Poltavchenko, in his place.

Although Katyn is the most famous massacre, there were many others in Belarus, Russia and Ukraine, bringing the total estimated number of Polish servicemen murdered by the Soviets in 1940 to 22,500. Most were shot in the head.

Commentators in both countries said Kaczynski's visit was partly aimed at rallying Polish voters ahead of early elections on October 21 at which the president's twin brother, Prime Minister Jaroslaw Kaczynski, is fighting for his political survival.

But it also reflected continued Polish grievances.

Poland has demanded that Russia recognise the Katyn atrocity as a crime against humanity and has said that anyone responsible who remains alive should be prosecuted.

Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev only acknowledged Soviet responsibility for the massacre for the first time in 1990, ending decades of official Soviet propaganda lies that blamed Hitler's Germany.

However in September 2004, after a 14-year investigation, the Russian military prosecutor's office refused to acknowledge Katyn as either a war crime or a crime against humanity.

The visit comes amid a host of disputes between historical rivals Poland and Russia, ranging from a Russian ban on Polish meat imports to US plans to site interceptor missiles in Poland as part of a missile defence system.

The independent Russian newspaper Vremya Novostei commented caustically on Monday that "this isn't about an improvement in bilateral relations because Mr President is visiting Russia in order to recall the most painful page in history."

"For the dear Kaczynski brothers the symbolism is very relevant to their domestic political needs," namely the elections, the paper said.

As a new European Union member, Poland has urged fellow EU countries to take a tougher line on Russia, particularly in talks over a planned EU-Russia partnership accord.

Warsaw has also been reasserting its historical influence in Belarus, the country that separates Poland from Russia and that is viewed by Moscow as its sphere of influence.

On Friday Belarus sentenced four army officers charged with spying for Poland to between seven and 10 years in jail.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: katyn; poland; russia; soviet
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1 posted on 09/17/2007 11:24:21 AM PDT by lizol
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To: lizol
Current Russian society not responsible for WW II crimes - Polish president
2 posted on 09/17/2007 11:25:30 AM PDT by lizol (Liberal - a man with his mind open ... at both ends)
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3 posted on 09/17/2007 11:26:50 AM PDT by lizol (Liberal - a man with his mind open ... at both ends)
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To: lizol

This is interesting in light of the coming internal Russian conflict concerning how Stalin and the Communists are to be remembered. The Russian Orthodox Church is making stronger statements regarding the millions of people victimized by Stalin and their participation in this commemoration seems to be another welcome step in that direction.

Putin may find himself having to make a very public decision in regards to this.


4 posted on 09/17/2007 11:31:07 AM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: lizol
The independent Russian newspaper Vremya Novostei commented caustically on Monday that "this isn't about an improvement in bilateral relations because Mr President is visiting Russia in order to recall the most painful page in history."

Maybe that's because only now does Poland even have the chance to recall it, since for years the Russkies lied and blamed it on the Germans.

5 posted on 09/17/2007 11:34:37 AM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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To: lizol

Prayers offered up in memory of the victims.


6 posted on 09/17/2007 11:46:58 AM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: lizol

Easy deal,
If you had to rely on one or the other as a friend and ally, which would anyone choose, Russia or Poland?
Obviously Poland. They don’t seem to want to crap on, conquer, steel the natural resources, dictate to and murder their neighbors.


8 posted on 09/17/2007 2:16:13 PM PDT by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: vox_PL
OK, then now I know where the name of this Polish Navy ship comes from:







ORP „Kontradmirał Xawery Czernicki” (Multitask logistic support ship)
9 posted on 09/17/2007 3:09:55 PM PDT by lizol (Liberal - a man with his mind open ... at both ends)
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To: lizol

Polish officers and policeman killed in Katyn, Miednoje and Charkow
http://www.katedrapolowa.pl/ofiary.php?strona=1&str=ok&imie1=&imie2=&nazwisko=&miejsce=
As it goes:
Military rank,name, date of birth
Place of birth
Date of death, place of death

Is there any full list of all (ALL!!!) identified victims?


10 posted on 09/17/2007 3:13:34 PM PDT by Verdelet (Defensor Patriae!)
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To: Verdelet; vox_PL

As far as I remember - some time ago vox_PL used to have one on his profile page.


11 posted on 09/17/2007 3:21:46 PM PDT by lizol (Liberal - a man with his mind open ... at both ends)
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To: lizol
Thank you for the time and effort expended in preparing this memorial thread.


12 posted on 09/17/2007 5:15:42 PM PDT by Robert Drobot (Da mihi virtutem contra hostes tuos.)
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To: dfwgator

Maybe that’s because only now does Poland even have the chance to recall it, since for years the Russkies lied and blamed it on the Germans.>>>
Or maybe (as the ballistic expertise showed) Poles were killed with GERMAN bullets fired from GERMAN handguns.


13 posted on 09/17/2007 10:08:10 PM PDT by EMT
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To: EMT

And?


14 posted on 09/18/2007 12:38:02 AM PDT by lizol (Liberal - a man with his mind open ... at both ends)
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To: EMT

The only thing we now for sure is that Russians did it... they still haven’t handed any interesting documents to the Polish side... We only got this:

http://pl.wikisource.org/wiki/Decyzja_katy%C5%84ska

order to kill, signed by Stalin and other murderers


15 posted on 09/18/2007 1:24:43 AM PDT by Verdelet (Defensor Patriae!)
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To: lizol

and it proves that prosecution was performed by germans inless NKVD predicted back in 1940 that Katyn territory is going to be seized by Nazis in 1941-1942. Otherwise there was no reason to use german weapons for killings. Do you believe that NKVD could see future? I don’t. Ergo, poles were killed by germans


16 posted on 09/18/2007 2:32:20 AM PDT by pobeda1945
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To: pobeda1945

You’re serious when saying anything like that???

I can’t believe it.


17 posted on 09/18/2007 2:46:06 AM PDT by lizol (Liberal - a man with his mind open ... at both ends)
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To: lizol

You’re serious when saying anything like that???

I can’t believe it.—
I will be happy to hear your counter-arguments. Hopefully, counter-arguments with less emotions.


18 posted on 09/18/2007 2:50:15 AM PDT by pobeda1945
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To: lizol

Poland’s Lech Kaczynski on Monday made his first visit as president to Russia ==

To Russia? Maybe you somehow mistook it? When Kazynski were in Russia ever? I herad he wasn’t even invited:))).


19 posted on 09/18/2007 4:00:44 AM PDT by RusIvan (It is amazing how easily those dupes swallow the supidiest russophobic fairy tales:))))
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The visit to Katyn in western Russia, ==

KHAHAHAHA:))))) The correspondent of AFP needs to have the some geography lessons:))).


20 posted on 09/18/2007 4:02:45 AM PDT by RusIvan (It is amazing how easily those dupes swallow the supidiest russophobic fairy tales:))))
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