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United Nations Jurisdiction Of The Seas ? - The Law Of The Seas Treaty
Red State ^ | Ken Taylor

Posted on 09/16/2007 11:40:42 AM PDT by processing please hold

A move by the Bush administration in May of this year which fell under the radar is soon to come to the Senate. On September 27th the Senate will debate and vote on the full ratification of the United Nations Conference on the Law of the Seas or in short The Law of the Seas Treaty. The treaty in essence gives the United Nation legal jurisdiction over the planets ocean and sets up a tribunal to govern all legal claims to territorial waters, mineral rights and mining and other uses of the worlds oceans, including navigation.

The treaty which has been in existence since the first Conference dating from 1973 - 1982 has never been ratified by The United States. When first presented in 1983 President Ronald Reagan categorically refused to even sign the treaty because he felt that it impugned on United States sovereignty.

Certain portions of the treaty have been beneficial and the United States abides by these terms as a matter of international law. For instance the treaty sets basic territorial waters and prevents nations who wish to push these territorial limits from over extending the recognized waters around their shore line borders. In other words in accordance to treaty limitations a nation cannot stretch its sovereign waters to a limit of say 250 miles and expect all other nations to abide by those unreasonable limits. Yet even with the treaty some countries have over extended their territorial waters without consequence. China and North Korea are among those.

The main contention that The United States has had to the treaty is Part XI which gives the UN full legal control in all mineral rights on every seabed found on the earths oceans. Without treaty ratification if a nation finds, for instance an mineral deposit in international waters and wishes to mine it then they are free to do so. Also ratification of the treaty would place United States fishing interest under the jurisdiction of the UN. U.S. fisheries would have fishing limits set by UN control and if those limits were exceeded they would be required to turn surplus catch over to distribution by the UN.

The Treaty would also require the United States to plead any case which questions the treaty before a non - elected United Nations Tribunal which then would decide in favor or against the United States. In light of the way every UN vote is conducted in recent years and the way that the United States is treated by that vote, this tribunal would be a disaster for U.S. interests. The UN after all loves U.S. money but hates U.S. interests.

In May the Bush Administration at the behest of career diplomats in the State Department urged the United States Senate to ratify all provision of the Treaty and the vote for this ratification begins on September 27th. In the past either a Republican President like Reagan or a Republican Majority in the Senate has blocked any ratification of the treaty. Now with a Democrat Majority who favors all UN control provides a distinct possibility of fully ratifying this treaty.

The dangers for the U.S. in this ratification are as follows:

1. The U.S. would be answerable to a UN unelected tribunal for all matters which involve the Seas and ocean borders of our nation.

2. Other countries environmental regulations could be forced on the United States through the UN and our surrounding waters by international law and mandate. The harvest of our fishing waters would also fall under UN mandate which will set limits and require fishing only in certain areas and relinquishing the surplus harvest to UN distribution. The requirement would also mandate over fishing in these particular areas.

3. The treaty would mandate recognized navigation rights. This provision is not only not necessary but not wanted by US interests because these UN mandated navigational lanes are not threatened by any international law and there is not a nation who has the capability of dictating to the US where we may travel, including the Navy in the world oceans.

4. The treaty gives a blank check to the UN on the spending of money supplied by the U.S. without ANY U.S. oversight.

5. The treaty gives eminent domain rights to the UN over intellectual property. In other words the UN would have the power to seize technology.

This treaty, if ratified, would allow the United Nations a free hand over all of the worlds oceans and any mineral actions taken in the oceans would not only come under UN jurisdiction, but would be taxable to the UN without ANY outside oversight on the spending of the monies acquired. All navigational lanes would be set by UN mandate and any country traveling outside of those mandated navigational lanes, including Navy's would be subject to action by the unelected UN tribunal.

This treaty, if ratified, would transfer wealth and technology by UN mandate from industrialized nations to third world countries. In other words a world wide socialized redistribution of wealth forcing the financial equality of all nations. This treaty would create a huge United Nations bureaucracy with legal jurisdiction over the worlds oceans. The UN has failed in the past in every instance where they have been allowed to run, oversee or control any program. Remember the Iraq Oil For Food Program. Now the US Senate is poised to ratify a treaty that dwarfs the Oil for Food Program both in scope and jurisdiction.

Since the treaty was written the opposition by the U.S. has caused many nations to not sign on to the treaty. The first Bush administration and the the Clinton administration proposed provisions that supposedly corrected the flaws and the Clinton signed the treaty in 1994 which caused some Nations to follow suit and others to ratify. The GOP controlled Senate stopped ratification and many nations who had signed the treaty have not ratified in accordance to the U.S. lead.

Now the present Bush administration is backing full ratification and a Democrat Senate who back the UN and adhere to socialist policies could very likely ratify the treaty. There are 34 no votes needed to prevent ratification. Call, write or e-mail you Senator and urge them to vote against ratification. Time is short. September 27th is just around the corner. This treaty will place vital United States interests under UN control and threatens our sovereignty as a nation which cannot be allowed.

We stopped the Senate Amnesty Bill and with a similar concentrated effort by the people we can prevent the ratification of the Law of the Seas Treaty and save American sovereignty and interests.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: freedom; lawoftheseatreaty; liberty; lost; nationalsovereignty; newworldodor; newworldorder; oneworldgovernment; owg; un; unclos; unitednations; unitedstates; us; usa
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To: Calpernia
Looks like we merely ratified a piece of LOST related to “straddling fish stocks” (which I assume means fish stocks shared by two or more adjoining countries) and highly migratory fish stocks. I suppose we could have simply pursued treaties with countries that we share a body of water with instead, but that’s simply too much to ask of our towering intellectual giants.
201 posted on 09/16/2007 7:30:15 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Oh, Geesh, not THIS crap AGAIN?!?)
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To: ovrtaxt; nw_arizona_granny; DAVEY CROCKETT

Thank you for the ping, ovrtaxt.

Pinging a few others.


202 posted on 09/16/2007 7:36:27 PM PDT by Velveeta
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To: Montfort

Indeed. They should banish Madeline McCann and that lost flying millionaire to Greta’s show on Fox.


203 posted on 09/16/2007 7:37:47 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Oh, Geesh, not THIS crap AGAIN?!?)
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To: Calpernia
Treaty Could Bring U.S. Undersea Riches
204 posted on 09/16/2007 7:44:14 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Calpernia

Any future President can be tried once the treat is signed! Giving away American sovereignty, Liberty and Independence seems to be a determination of this Quisling President.


205 posted on 09/16/2007 7:51:19 PM PDT by B4Ranch
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To: Sturm Ruger

What is Fred Thompson’s position on the LOST treaty? I can’t find anything on search, but he must have voted at some point.


206 posted on 09/16/2007 8:34:14 PM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Senator Clinton should step down!)
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To: ovrtaxt

Thanks for the ping!


207 posted on 09/16/2007 8:49:14 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Bommer
Trusting the UN with anything is like asking a child molester to babysit!

Someone pointed out 20 years ago or so, that many of the heads of governments and states whose ambassadors voted their wishes in the General Assembly were former (or not former) terrorists who rose from grenade-throwing and throat-slashing to "statesmanship" by shedding blood generously.

Overall, the U.N. has the moral tone of a bunch of carjackers surrounding a carload of university dons.

208 posted on 09/16/2007 10:29:35 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: processing please hold; indylindy
The last thread about this got about 8 posts.

I know but I have to try. I have to keep pushing.

Hmmm, up to 209 posts now and still going. Looks like you've done good, stranger.

Oh, btw, I'd give five dollars to know why President Bush is pushing this -- whom he feels he owes, to "make this happen."

Gotta be the Bonesmen and party bagmen pulling strings. Can't think of anyone in Texas who'd want this dungpile. It's got to be plutocratically rich Connecticut Yankees and New York investment bankers -- and their superinsulated, superuninhibited clients.

209 posted on 09/16/2007 10:52:38 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
PONG!

free dixie,sw

210 posted on 09/17/2007 2:57:24 AM PDT by stand watie ("Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God." - T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: stand watie
Hi, stand. Maybe some of the Dixie posters would like to see this? Sovereignty issues are our middle name!

;)

211 posted on 09/17/2007 4:38:53 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: processing please hold; 4CJ; stainlessbanner; PeaRidge; rustbucket; Ditto; Non-Sequitur; ...
PRANG!

Another cotton-picking sovereignty attack......

212 posted on 09/17/2007 4:42:10 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: lentulusgracchus
"our middle name" ====> is that ever the truth!!!

WHEN dixie is FREE again (and YES i believe that will come to pass, though i fear i will not live to see LIBERTY,) we won't join the UN.

free dixie,sw

213 posted on 09/17/2007 5:31:28 AM PDT by stand watie ("Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God." - T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: ronnie raygun; All
while i see no reason to be VULGAR (especially since ladies & impressionable children read these threads) the USA should LEAVE the UN & the UN should be invited to LEAVE the USA.

free dixie,sw

214 posted on 09/17/2007 5:38:26 AM PDT by stand watie ("Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God." - T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: processing please hold
The un wants to be monetarily independent from the US and the rest of the world.

In 1947 there was debate about whether the UN should be a forum or the World Government.

With all the impingements on national soverignty, from within and without, and epecially recently from the highest levels, I can only say that those who have renamed themselves 'Globalists' are making progress.

In a generation or two, if we do not decisively act in this one, their subterfuge and patience will pay off with the world government they and their philosophical progenitors have desired.

What they do not forsee, apparently, is that that much power will rapidly corrupt the entity, and especially rich, white socialist liberals will rapidly become the grist for the mill they have made.

The class warfare and racism they and others have fomented will not stop to poll its victims on their politics.

There is a dark age coming if we do not stop it, one which will set any semblance of civilization back millennia despite the trimmings of technology which survive it.

215 posted on 09/17/2007 8:05:31 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: lentulusgracchus
Thank you for the alert. You've got to watch these people, watch them all the time. Time to again e-mail our senatorial RINOs and weak hearts.

And it's another warning for conservatives studying the 2008 presidential campaign to be careful to look beyond hype and image and look for real convictions.

216 posted on 09/17/2007 10:26:57 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo (Duncan Hunter is the standard)
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To: processing please hold
We, the US, will have but one vote in any dispute created by unclos. One vote.

As long as that one vote consists of 95,000 tons of absolute sincerity, I'm OK with that.

217 posted on 09/17/2007 10:31:04 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: lentulusgracchus

If our Texas senators VOTE for LOST, they can GET LOST.


218 posted on 09/17/2007 10:52:09 AM PDT by Iwo Jima ("Close the border. Then we'll talk.")
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To: lentulusgracchus
Oh, btw, I'd give five dollars to know why President Bush is pushing this -- whom he feels he owes, to "make this happen."

That's one question everyone wants to know. Why on earth would he do such a foolish thing. It defies logic.

219 posted on 09/17/2007 1:02:35 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: lentulusgracchus
Another cotton-picking sovereignty attack....

Yes it is. Here's what Frank Gaffney had to say about L.O.S.T.

Frank Gaffney, the former Reagan defense official who now heads the Center for Security Policy in Washington, tells Newsmax that treaty advocates don't realize what UNCLOS really entails.

“I doubt any of these new supporters has actually read the entire treaty," he says. "If they read this Marxist document, the issue would be dead.”

Gaffney says he will fight against UNCLOS ratification and has created www.rejectlost.org to get the word out.

220 posted on 09/17/2007 1:07:09 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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