Posted on 09/16/2007 9:38:52 AM PDT by DCPatriot
Given the responses I got the last time I focused on this issue, I almost hate to bring it up…but here goes.
I think Tony Snow is exactly right when he says here:
“I deeply admire what [Mr. Bush] did on immigration and I think he’s right,” Mr. Snow said. “I think the policies the president outlined generally are the ones that eventually this country is going to adopt.”
Let us hope so, because the alternative “solutions” out there - “let everyone in and register them all Democrat” on the left and “ship them all back to Mexico no matter how long they’ve been here or how productive” - are neither workable nor just.
Snow also says, here,
“the White House was not prepared for the anger of foes of illegal immigration
For crying out loud, that’s a staggering statement when even I - a lowly and not terribly bright housewife - completely understood the mood of the illegal immigration extremists. They were not interested in any sort of “half-measure” by President Bush - they did not want Bush do what Reagan always tried to do, “get 75% of what you want and come back later for the rest.” No, the extremists on this issue, crying, “we’re the base, you better dance with who brung ya,” were relentlessly uncompromising on the matter of illegal immigration and President Bush - and any other politicians who disagreed with them or sought a more workable solution than “ship them back and build high, high walls” had their rhetorical heads smashed repeatedly against the rhetorical curbside.
I still have a few dents, myself.
The illegal immigration hardliners demanded “all or nothing at all,” from President Bush and the GOP leadership. And now, they have nothing, and no political power to do much of anything. Illegal immigrants are still entering the nation mostly unchecked. The useless NIS is no closer to being reformed and retooled into something useful. There are no plans to design as sort of Ellis Island West, to actually process potential citizen immigrants “the way my grandfather came into New York - legally!” as the hardliner crows. Nothing is being done. But hey…at least the folks with the high, strong principals can sleep at night knowing they didn’t compromise!
A long time ago I wrote that the blood of many may well rest on the heads of those who would not get serious about the War on Terror. By the same token, I think it would not be completely unfair to state that the increases and excesses of illegal immigrants - and whatever political fall-out or legislative impotence comes from once more refusing to deal realistically with an issue that has been ignored for decades - will rest on the heads on those who took a hard, uncompromising line; those who managed to drop-kick the first president to try to effect positive change, and further weaken his entire presidency, while still getting nothing done. This issue was not well-played, folks. And just because the only ones still talking about it are the one-noters in internet forums doesn’t mean the issue is put to bed. Far from it. The reckoning - and the issue itself - has simply been kicked down the road for the time being, launched by a tantrum of “conservative anger”, which sent it nowhere good.
In the Wall Street Journal today the editorial writers take a look at how the hardline stance against illegal Mexican immigrants (come on, you never hear about the illegal Irish all over Boston or Long Island) can hurt the GOP and conservatives politically. They’re right to be concerned. When conservative and Republicans find themselves further weakened politically because they’ve managed to give the back of their hand to what every year becomes a more substantial portion of the electorate, who will they blame? They’ll have no right to blame George W. Bush - who tried to deal with the issue - but they may try to. It’s easy to blame Bush for everything, after all. But the truth is, they’ll have no one to blame but themselves.
I have a suspicion, just a little one - it’s anecdotal and nothing I can cite - but a suspicion nonetheless that some of the folks who jumped on the “all or nothing, ship them back, Bush has betrayed the base” bandwagon are beginning to regret the ride…turns out it was just a merry-go-round, after all.
dixie is a troll!! Who knew? ROFLMBO!!
WHERE’S THE !@#!&%’ing FENCE????
“Just legalize them.”
And then how many more, DC? What’s your limit of border jumpers? 30 million? 50? Anybody who can get in?
Well, one things for sure, most of them are probably less dangerous than you.
geezus christo....folks want illegals to go home and you hint "sinister"
not much more sinister than continuous race baiting to silence one's opponents.
modern day Beria-speak
I'm specifically addressing the ones that have already established themselves here. There's no reason to round everybody up...and it's not going to happen.
Anchoress suggests that the more extreme on your side are re-evaluating their position.
The Bill addressed most of our concerns and your side wasn't satisfied. Now live with the consequences.
Actually, no it didn’t. It seemed to on page 1, but deeper in the bill it was clear that all of the “enforcement” would be ignored or sidestepped. Like the 24-hour investigation window on those unlimited “temporary” visas.
Now, they’re trying again and we’ll fight them again. The anti-Americans won’t get there way.
“The Bill addressed most of our concerns and your side wasn’t satisfied. Now live with the consequences.”
Yeah, it addressed our concerns all right, namely our concern about granting amnesty and a path to citizenship to a minimum of 12 million, probably closer to 20 million, plus tens of millions more those could bring in over the next decade. Our concern that, like since the 1986 amnesty, a 2007 amnesty would encourage more illegal immigrants over future years while our lying government would do nothing to secure the borders, just as they did nothing after 1986.
That sort of “addressing our concerns” is like addressing a headache by hitting someone over the head with a sledgehammer. No thanks, I much prefer the way the American people addressed the situation to Congress, and trust they’ll continue to do so loudly and clearly from now on.
It addressed our concerns by doing the last thing in the world we wanted done: amnesty for tens of millions.
ping
Especially seeing all of the important support that you have garnered here with your stunning acumen and brilliant deductive reasoning!
Really we are all...nonplussed!
You are an open borders TROLL and you could have posted this tripe on FR for no other reason than to TROLL.
Return to your brethren at the DU.
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The man who loves other countries as much as his own stands on a level with the man who loves other women as much as he loves his own wife.
There can be no fifty-fifty Americanism in this country.
There is room here for only 100% Americanism, only for those who are Americans and nothing else.
Theodore Roosevelt
You've made it clear you make a living providing 100% loans for housing, you've made it clear you are more than happy for illegals to work here.
I'm sure you're quite aware that the probable coming recession is due to the housing market and an overabundance of cheap labor bringing wages down. Your greed and the one's like you who made loans to those who weren't qualified makes all the rest of us pay, I hope you remember this in the next few years. Everyone will pay for your bad decisions. Write home and tell your mom how well you've done. If she's smart, she'll see.
You are suggesting sacrificing those folks who had no jobs, and letting go of those folks who were already working, all in the name of money.
"You suggested that's a bad thing and instead support Communist ideals and want government to control wages and incomes."
I suggested no such thing, and you know it.
To say that I would support any Communist ideal is insulting, to say the least.
BTW, the employment agency mentioned has nothing to do with the point of the article.
The point is that many, many hardworking citizens of all colors and creeds saw their jobs washed away with Katrina.
I can't believe you are so callous as to put profit over their needs, but I guess you are.
"Who's the disingenuous one here?"
Since you cherry picked the article to concentrate only on the 70, and aren't including the facts in the rest of the article...namely that this was happening in all three states, and involves many more than the 70 you mentioned...and since you discounted the fact that there were many LEGAL citizens who desperately needed the jobs, YOU are the disingenuous one here.
“We had been told that 270 jobs might be available, and we could have filled every one of them with men from this area, most of whom lost their jobs because of the hurricane,” she said. “When we told the guys they would not be needed, they actually cried … and we cried with them. This is a shame.”
Mrs. Swope said employment agencies throughout Alabama, Louisiana and Mississippi faced similar problems, when thousands of men from Mexico and several Central and South American countries — many in crowded buses and trucks — came into the three states after Katrina, looking for employment and willing to work for less money.”
Actually, that would be Wide Awakes.
I believe he's a spokesman for them on this forum.
Figures.
That is just exactly what he's doing, wardaddy.
However, he doesn't have many, if any, of the FROBL here to help him now.
Yep!
Oh...I’m sorry I wasn’t clear.
wtc911 was called a troll...not I.
I hope we see a dang fence soon!
The WHOLE dang fence, too!
But, for now, I’m happy to see them go after the employers.
Now, if they would put some teeth into it by jailing them, and levying huge fines against them...
God I hope the wideawakes and DC asshats don’t come back here..
Ditto that!
dittos on all counts
·1994: The "Section 245(i)" temporary rolling amnesty for 578,000 illegal aliens·1997: Extension of the Section 245(i) amnesty
·1997: The Nicaraguan Adjustment and Central American Relief Act for nearly one million illegal aliens from Central America
·1998: The Haitian Refugee Immigration Fairness Act amnesty for 125,000 illegal aliens from Haiti
·2000: Extension of amnesty for some 400,000 illegal aliens who claimed eligibility under the 1986 act
·2000: The Legal Immigration Family Equity Act, which included a restoration of the rolling Section 245(i) amnesty for 900,000 illegal aliens
Of course all these various amnesties for all these millions of illegals haven't slowed illegal immigration one iota. On the contrary, they've just made it worse. And most of these legalized illegals were eventually allowed to sponsor other relatives to come to this country. Just wonderful.
So Bush and Rove said they were "surprised" by the public outcry from the grassroots over their shamnesty bill....? Idiots.
Not race baiting. And what is FROBL?
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