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To: wideawake
Long before the Renaissance, medieval Europeans had created complex financial and legal systems, composed breathtaking polyphonic music and engaged in philosophical speculation far above the accomplishments of the late Roman period.

Not to mention those masterpieces of Gothic architecture, bestriding the landscape of the Middle ages like armies armed with a thousand spears, the Cathedrals.

The climate collapse from 1350 until the 1600's, not to mention the Black Death - now there was something like a dark age, a double whammy that few civilisations could have survived. Civilisation did seem to go a little dim right about then. But no civilisation until the Renaissance? Hardly.

14 posted on 09/14/2007 11:52:33 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: agere_contra; buwaya
A not as advanced civilization is not the same as no civilization.

Suspect buwaya has a strong point that Europe did pick up pace before the Renaissance, but that the fall of the Western Roman Empire did lead to an initial collapse--or almost collapse--in European society that took centuries to rebuild.

51 posted on 09/14/2007 2:22:22 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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