Rudy takes off gloves: slams Hillary in New York Times ad.

Politico.com ^ | 9/14/07 | Jonathon Martin

[Mrs. Plutarch]

Marrying a political attack with a fundraising gambit, Rudy has fashioned his own ad for the New York Times. He blasted it out to supporters this afternoon as part of a money solicitation and has put a portion of it on his website just above a contribution form.

[Miss Didi]

Brava, princess leah!

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

To the Thompson supporters, Fred is no Rudy.

Well, you're right on that. He's never stayed with homosexual friends or advocated killing babies on the taxpayer's dime.

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

If people are going to base their vote on that and that alone, God help us all.

It's the other things, you know, mundane stuff like addressing NARAL Pro-Choice America, addressing Handgun Control, Inc., marching in homosexual pride parades, etc.

[sam_paine]

Best we can hope for is pinchy turns the NYT ad pages into a chaotic DU-vs-MoveOn gang war of moonbats.

[Jim Noble]

I will question the sanity and the intelligence of any body who claims that there is no difference between Rudy and Hillary.

Correct.

Think about it. If Hillary had succeeded David Dinkins on January 1, 1993, would she have:

Cut crime by locking up criminals, or whined about root causes? Chased pornographers out of family neighborhoods, or preached about "artistic freedom"? Denounced the Brooklyn Museum for blasphemy and tried to cut their funding, or attended their dung-covered Virgin Mary exhibit? Cut welfare rolls and made recipients work for their money, or tried to raise taxes further to subsidize an aberrant and destructive lifestyle? Cut the size and shape of the rancid municipal hospital system, or tried to make it the standard for every one? Would she have slapped down the leftist press every single blessed day for eight whole years? Would she have refused NYPD protection for Yasser Arafat, effectively confining him to his hotel and the UN building?

Like him or don't. Vote for whomever you want.

But don't be absurd.

[RabidBartender]

"If people want to be a “one issue” voter, then at least let that one issue be for our national security which we won’t have under a demoncRAT!"

At the cost of almost every other conservative value we have? Then what have we won? There are more than a few folks out there that will vote 3rd party or just won't show up if Giuliani is the nominee, regardless how often they get yelled at, ridiculed, or are threatened with "ohmigosh - you are just voting for Hillary!". Party Republicans need to be reminded of that.

Maybe that's what some so-called Rudy supporters want (not yourself, of course) - they'd rather have Hillary as President so they can gloat and whine for 4 years, saying "I told you so" and feeling superior about themselves - instead of having someone who will work to promote the social and fiscal issues that should be in the heart of every conservative. AND fight the war on terror.

[princess leah]

I say to this that in 2008, we don’t have that luxury...I say look at the timetable in the War On Terror, it’s in the critical turning point and time will run out on the Bush administration before all the gains can be achieved. So, yes, I am willing to put aside some other conservative issues, for next year’s election because this time is so critical for what’s at stake worldwide. Anyone can still fight for his/her values at the local level, which is where most of these issues need to take place. I am fervently against abortion, but I know that the heart of that issue lies with women and men personally, not in the politicians.
Also, our men and women in uniform have fought and died, would you invalidate their sacrifice this coming year if it came down to Rudy vs. Hillary? I know Rudy supports the military and HIllary despises them and would be a HORRIFIC CinC...so, these are the things that drive my post and that’s why I believe that the “one issue” for AMericans MUST be this fight, this battle against Muslim Terrorism -a Holy War that won’t be called that!

[LS]

He won't gain a thing in NY, nor is that what the ad is designed to do. It's designed to set apart the Dems as traitors and low-lifes IN GENERAL. If that rubs off 1-2% of Hillary's lead in, say, Ohio or Iowa, it may well be worth it. Moreover, it makes the point (a BIG point) that the NY Times must at least appear to be "fair," and therefore it is the "Times" that said it, not just Rudy. Pretty smart.

Personally, I think conservatives and Republicans need to go on offense, everywhere, every medium. The www.freedomwatch.org stuff is fantastic, and should be on everywhere.

[LS]

Nope. Our side---which is still a slight majority---wants a fighter. Only the people so terrified that Rudy might actually win will deny that, so far, because most of the other candidates like Duncan Hunter are either fighters with no name recognition/media clout, or, so far, like Fred, have been busy criticizing Fidel Castro rather than the Dems.

Don't get me wrong, Fidel is a commie pig, but there is a time and place---AFTER you win the election.

Republicans want a fighter. Any Republican who is busy attacking other Republicans won't have a hope in hell of winning a general election.

[Bender2]

Re My: "...exercise my 2nd Amendment rights while they last!"

RabidBartender's Ironically, protection of your 2nd Amendment rights is why many refuse to consider Rudy.

AFreeBird's Rootie is not exactly know for his staunch defense of the 2nd. The lesser of two evils is still evil. And a RINO is still a RINO. And I'm tired of voting in RINO's. So, as I said: My tagline stands.

I hate to quote a Democrat, but old Tip O'Neil said, "All politics is local." However, that is a correct truth.

No one is suggesting Rudy is the NRA's first choice for President nor is he mine, but he has backed away from his NY Mayor era pronouncements on firearms. If you look up the demographics of NYC, the anti-gun/liberal crowd holds the majority sway. Rudy, I think was playing to his voters back then more than anything else. Just as now he is playing to the GOP base that packs heat and will die before they give up that right.

Look, we survived 8 years of Clinton with the Dems barely passing the Brady Bill. It came about and bit the Dems right on their fat, hairy butts and it got the GOP the House and Senate for the first time in decades. The Brady Bill also passed away.

All it achieved was making sure the Dems stopped major spouting off about gun-control 'casue they saw the majority of Americans still believe in the 2nd Amendment and voted that way. It was a killer for the Dems and even as much as they want the whole nation gun free for legal citizens, they finally admitted it just wasn't gona happen! I cannot see anyway anyhow a President Rudy could get a Brady Bill, or worse, passed, even if he was so inclined. Rudy is a realists and knows it is a losing issue.

So, Bird, Rabid, Both of ya'll-- GET REAL! Rudy ain't going to do away with the 2nd Amendment!

Now, poor old Bird, you claim "The lesser of two evils is still evil." So you figure not voting for Rudy if he gets the nomination will keep you pure while the 'evil' Dems get the White House. How that can make sense to you, is beyond any realm of understanding in my book?

You say you hate voting for RINOs, well so do I, but I'd still pull the lever for the King of RINOs John McCain before I'd vote for any Dem or let my non vote help elect one.

You'd rather stand aside and remain 'pure' while the whole country goes to hell under a Hillary, Obama or any other Dem President.

Well, there are traitors about in this land and I think we all here on FR know they have a (D) after their names, yet the fine line between down right cowardice and stupidity grows ever narrower. One begets the other and I do not want to believe you are straddling that fine line with your "I'm too pure to vote for Rudy" crap!

You cannot win, old sport, unless you get into the game.

Consider that you and others of like ilk withholding your votes may bring about the downfall of conservatism, the Republican Party and even the nation. If that what you want as your claim to fame?

Then go ahead, but don't expect me to have any respect for your nonsensical smug position.

Keep going down that path, Bird... and the next thing we know, you'll be promoting pacifism, tinfoil hats, perpetual motion machines, chasing cars on all fours, howling at the moon, etc...

[AFreeBird]

but he has backed away from his NY Mayor era pronouncements on firearms.

The concept of RINO and political expediency, is lost on you, isn't it.

[Bender2]

Re My "...but he has backed away from his NY Mayor era pronouncements on firearms."

Your: The concept of RINO and political expediency, is lost on you, isn't it.

Well, it looks like the concepts of reason and reality... are both completely lost on you, old sport.

My Old Pappy told me to never suffer fools any longer than necessary, so we''ll just chalk you up as not worth the effort of ever replying to any more and leave it at that.

Have fun storming the castle after you've lost your country!

Ta Tah!

[AFreeBird]

Have fun storming the castle after you've lost your country! No sense storming the castle after you've let it wither and die from the inside. RINO's will do that. It is a more insidious death.

I'd rather face a known enemy. Not that I would support them mind you, and will fight to make sure that doesn't happen. But a wolf in sheep's clothing is still a wolf.

Rootie might be okay with the external threat, but it is the internal one that is more of a threat. On that he is weak.

[AFreeBird]

Sorry, failed to close a couple of tags, I trust you can figure it out.

[Eric Blair 2084]

No one is suggesting Rudy is the NRA's first choice for President nor is he mine, but he has backed away from his NY Mayor era pronouncements on firearms. If you look up the demographics of NYC, the anti-gun/liberal crowd holds the majority sway. Rudy, I think was playing to his voters back then more than anything else. Just as now he is playing to the GOP base that packs heat and will die before they give up that right.

Well done Bender. I don't know what to make of that...a hat, a paper airplane, a boat, a broach (Please insert photo from Airplane! _________ here if you have it from that scene).

What I mean is that if a public serpent does what his constituents want, and then his constituents change, he is called a flip flopper. Maybe rightly so. Seems to me that is what a representative Democracy is all about. Do what we tell you or you are outta there.

I think Rudy would be a different POTUS than he was mayor. He is a federalist. He knows that what worked in the DPRNY won't go over well in Wyoming.

[Bender2]

Re: What I mean is that if a public serpent does what his constituents want, and then his constituents change, he is called a flip flopper. Maybe rightly so. Seems to me that is what a representative Democracy is all about. Do what we tell you or you are outta there.

I think Rudy would be a different POTUS than he was mayor. He is a federalist. He knows that what worked in the DPRNY won't go over well in Wyoming.

Gadzooks, Eric! Speaking common sense like that may get you spoken of badly by some out in the Alaskan wilderness, ya know!

Well, you can debate and reason with certain folk and even agree to disagree with others, but some fools just keep on until you just have to cast them off away into The Twilight Zone cause it is a waste of time and effort to cast good pearls into their pool of swine.

So, since we are in agreement, have you heard this joke?

A gorilla escapes from the zoo and winds up in a tree in Mr. Johnson's backyard. Mr. Johnson calls the police to report it and an animal trainer from the zoo is quickly dispatched. The handler shows up in a truck and unloads a dog, a baseball bat, a banana and a rifle. He meets Mr. Johnson in the backyard and says, "I will need your assistance."

Mr. Johnson agrees and asks how he can be of assistance. The handler says, "I'm going to climb the tree and approach the gorilla with the banana. When I get close enough, I'll whack him on the head with a baseball bat. When he falls out of the tree, my specially trained dog here will rush over to him and chomp down on the gorilla's crotch, incapacitating him."

Mr. Johnson is curious about the rifle and asks, "I don't see where I come in and besides, what's the rifle for?"

The handler hands Mr. Johnson the rifle and replies, "If for any reason, I fall out of the tree first, for God's sake...shoot the dog!"

Now watch... some sumbitch hereabouts will come along shortly and post, "What you going to do, Bender, if Rudy takes away your rifle?"

That's why I have an ass... that is both shiny and metal!

[RabidBartender]

"No one is suggesting Rudy is the NRA's first choice for President nor is he mine, but he has backed away from his NY Mayor era pronouncements on firearms."

Oh, he backed away? That changes EVERYTHING!!!! /sarc
Look, you basing your vote on the guy because of what he says he's going to do. I'm not voting for him because of what he has done in office. If he wins the presidency, he'll run the country the same way. At least with Hillary, Congressional Republicans will fight her.

"Rudy, I think was playing to his voters back then more than anything else."

What voters was he playing to in 1994 when he escorted Bill Clinton to Minneapolis to campaign for a semi-auto gun ban? Also, what makes you think he won't play to the voters when he gets into office (supposing media polls feed him liberal wants)? Look at the so-called polls on Iraq now.

Look, we survived 8 years of Clinton with the Dems barely passing the Brady Bill.

And that helps convince a lot of people that we can survive 4 more, particularly if the alternative is to make the Republican party more liberal. If Rudy is elected President, the entire idealogy (sp?) of the party shifts heavily to the left. Why? Because we would have shown the RNC, that hey - those social issues just aren't that important to us. We'll vote for ANYBODY!!!

"So, Bird, Rabid, Both of ya'll-- GET REAL! Rudy ain't going to do away with the 2nd Amendment!"

At the risk of sounding contentious (and I'm trying hard to keep it civil), no one is saying Rudy will do away with the 2nd Amendment. But suppose another Columbine happens. Or another Virginia Tech. Given Rudy's history, what possible reason would you have to believe he wouldn't sign a new Brady Bill? How about a national registry for handguns? Or even better - a national carry permit card! It's worked so well for Canada.

"You say you hate voting for RINOs, well so do I, but I'd still pull the lever for the King of RINOs John McCain before I'd vote for any Dem or let my non vote help elect one."

Great. I'm not going to mock your choice. I'm not going to wave the Boogeyman in front of your face, and tell you that's what you're getting. But there's one thing you really have to grasp - if Rudy is nominated, it will be the FIRST time the Republican party has nominated a candidate who has a pro-choice history, anti-gun legislation, pro-gay agenda, and so on. A LOT of people won't go for that.

"Consider that you and others of like ilk withholding your votes may bring about the downfall of conservatism, the Republican Party and even the nation. If that what you want as your claim to fame?"

Once again, you have a gift for being obtuse and ironic at the same time(yeah, I'm testy - the word "ilk" is kinda contentious). What is conservatism to you? Rudy is LIBERAL on almost every issue. Nominating him doesn't necessary split the party, but it does ensure a large portion stays home or goes 3rd party. And these aren't the fringe guys that throw the names of Keyes, Tancredo, and Hunter out there (my apologies to the supporters of those guys) - it's a much larger portion. Rudy doesn't represent my values at all. He talks tough, and is very affable (heck, if it wasn't for his more vocal supporters, I'd probably like the guy), but he isn't conservative. And if you toss your values and conscience away as easily as that, I don't think you are, either.

"Then go ahead, but don't expect me to have any respect for your nonsensical smug position."

Who's smug? I'm scared. If Hillary is elected President, a lot of things I don't like will happen. If Rudy is elected President, a lot of things I don't like will happen. If I cast a vote for either one of them, who do I have to blame for that? Who?

"Keep going down that path, Bird... and the next thing we know, you'll be promoting pacifism, tinfoil hats, perpetual motion machines, chasing cars on all fours, howling at the moon, etc...

I know that isn't for me, but I have nooooo idea where you are going with that. If I left out anything you wanted addressed, let me know - I just grabbed what I thought were the main points.

(ilk?)

[Laverne]

This is a critical point you make; it is why Rudy always comes out on top in the debates. He goes after Hillary and the press and he is the ONLY one doing is early and often. The others should take a cue from him and do it as well. They still seem to be afraid of the press, even though their impact is less and less on a daily basis. Look at NBC/MSNBC, they are nothing but hate speech and lies, and the olberidiot and the spitter are laughing stocks. Russert, who filed a false affidavit in the Libby case, calls the war “Bush’s war” and yet he represents himself as a serious journo! What a joke he has become.

Our guys need to attack hard, strong, and often. Only Rudy seems to get that which is why he is so highly regarded.

Fred and McCain have both gone after Hillbilly for her outrageous comments to Patraeus, but only Rudy is attacking.

[RabidBartender]

Hiya Eric,

"I think Rudy would be a different POTUS than he was mayor. He is a federalist. He knows that what worked in the DPRNY won't go over well in Wyoming."

Giuliani lobbied for the 1994 federal assault weapons ban - and has said he supports a national registry of handguns. It's things like that I have a problem with.

[Eric Blair 2084]

It is what it is. Mayor Rudy was a gun grabber and baby killer. We’ve rehashed that a million times here. We all know that.

I’ll just say two things:

1. IMHO, he would be a different President than Mayor. You can counter by saying he is running on his accomplishments as mayor since he repeats it ad nauseam in the debates and therefore should be excoriated for his failures in protecting the unborn and the 2nd Amendmant. That would be fair.

2. Rudy spends a lot of time trying to compare himself to Reagan, when the legendary President that he bears the closest resemblance to is JFK. JFK would be a Republican today...strong on national defense and tax cuts, liberal on social issues.

This is either an indictment of the Democratic party for moving so far left that JFK would be alienated, or the Republican party moving so far to the center that Rudy/JFK policies can pass as right wing.

I dunno. I’m just a jackass with a modem who should have a nationally syndicated column. I can be as retarded as George Will and I know as many big words.