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Re My: "...exercise my 2nd Amendment rights while they last!"

RabidBartender's Ironically, protection of your 2nd Amendment rights is why many refuse to consider Rudy.

AFreeBird's Rootie is not exactly know for his staunch defense of the 2nd. The lesser of two evils is still evil. And a RINO is still a RINO. And I'm tired of voting in RINO's. So, as I said: My tagline stands.

I hate to quote a Democrat, but old Tip O'Neil said, "All politics is local." However, that is a correct truth.

No one is suggesting Rudy is the NRA's first choice for President nor is he mine, but he has backed away from his NY Mayor era pronouncements on firearms. If you look up the demographics of NYC, the anti-gun/liberal crowd holds the majority sway. Rudy, I think was playing to his voters back then more than anything else. Just as now he is playing to the GOP base that packs heat and will die before they give up that right.

Look, we survived 8 years of Clinton with the Dems barely passing the Brady Bill. It came about and bit the Dems right on their fat, hairy butts and it got the GOP the House and Senate for the first time in decades. The Brady Bill also passed away.

All it achieved was making sure the Dems stopped major spouting off about gun-control 'casue they saw the majority of Americans still believe in the 2nd Amendment and voted that way. It was a killer for the Dems and even as much as they want the whole nation gun free for legal citizens, they finally admitted it just wasn't gona happen! I cannot see anyway anyhow a President Rudy could get a Brady Bill, or worse, passed, even if he was so inclined. Rudy is a realists and knows it is a losing issue.

So, Bird, Rabid, Both of ya'll-- GET REAL! Rudy ain't going to do away with the 2nd Amendment!

Now, poor old Bird, you claim "The lesser of two evils is still evil." So you figure not voting for Rudy if he gets the nomination will keep you pure while the 'evil' Dems get the White House. How that can make sense to you, is beyond any realm of understanding in my book?

You say you hate voting for RINOs, well so do I, but I'd still pull the lever for the King of RINOs John McCain before I'd vote for any Dem or let my non vote help elect one.

You'd rather stand aside and remain 'pure' while the whole country goes to hell under a Hillary, Obama or any other Dem President.

Well, there are traitors about in this land and I think we all here on FR know they have a (D) after their names, yet the fine line between down right cowardice and stupidity grows ever narrower. One begets the other and I do not want to believe you are straddling that fine line with your "I'm too pure to vote for Rudy" crap!

You cannot win, old sport, unless you get into the game.

Consider that you and others of like ilk withholding your votes may bring about the downfall of conservatism, the Republican Party and even the nation. If that what you want as your claim to fame?

Then go ahead, but don't expect me to have any respect for your nonsensical smug position.

Keep going down that path, Bird... and the next thing we know, you'll be promoting pacifism, tinfoil hats, perpetual motion machines, chasing cars on all fours, howling at the moon, etc...

Well done Bender. I don't know what to make of that...a hat, a paper airplane, a boat, a broach (Please insert photo from Airplane! _________ here if you have it from that scene).

What I mean is that if a public serpent does what his constituents want, and then his constituents change, he is called a flip flopper. Maybe rightly so. Seems to me that is what a representative Democracy is all about. Do what we tell you or you are outta there.

I think Rudy would be a different POTUS than he was mayor. He is a federalist. He knows that what worked in the DPRNY won't go over well in Wyoming.

"No one is suggesting Rudy is the NRA's first choice for President nor is he mine, but he has backed away from his NY Mayor era pronouncements on firearms."

Oh, he backed away? That changes EVERYTHING!!!! /sarc
Look, you basing your vote on the guy because of what he says he's going to do. I'm not voting for him because of what he has done in office. If he wins the presidency, he'll run the country the same way. At least with Hillary, Congressional Republicans will fight her.

"Rudy, I think was playing to his voters back then more than anything else."

What voters was he playing to in 1994 when he escorted Bill Clinton to Minneapolis to campaign for a semi-auto gun ban? Also, what makes you think he won't play to the voters when he gets into office (supposing media polls feed him liberal wants)? Look at the so-called polls on Iraq now.

Look, we survived 8 years of Clinton with the Dems barely passing the Brady Bill.

And that helps convince a lot of people that we can survive 4 more, particularly if the alternative is to make the Republican party more liberal. If Rudy is elected President, the entire idealogy (sp?) of the party shifts heavily to the left. Why? Because we would have shown the RNC, that hey - those social issues just aren't that important to us. We'll vote for ANYBODY!!!

"So, Bird, Rabid, Both of ya'll-- GET REAL! Rudy ain't going to do away with the 2nd Amendment!"

At the risk of sounding contentious (and I'm trying hard to keep it civil), no one is saying Rudy will do away with the 2nd Amendment. But suppose another Columbine happens. Or another Virginia Tech. Given Rudy's history, what possible reason would you have to believe he wouldn't sign a new Brady Bill? How about a national registry for handguns? Or even better - a national carry permit card! It's worked so well for Canada.

"You say you hate voting for RINOs, well so do I, but I'd still pull the lever for the King of RINOs John McCain before I'd vote for any Dem or let my non vote help elect one."

Great. I'm not going to mock your choice. I'm not going to wave the Boogeyman in front of your face, and tell you that's what you're getting. But there's one thing you really have to grasp - if Rudy is nominated, it will be the FIRST time the Republican party has nominated a candidate who has a pro-choice history, anti-gun legislation, pro-gay agenda, and so on. A LOT of people won't go for that.

"Consider that you and others of like ilk withholding your votes may bring about the downfall of conservatism, the Republican Party and even the nation. If that what you want as your claim to fame?"

Once again, you have a gift for being obtuse and ironic at the same time(yeah, I'm testy - the word "ilk" is kinda contentious). What is conservatism to you? Rudy is LIBERAL on almost every issue. Nominating him doesn't necessary split the party, but it does ensure a large portion stays home or goes 3rd party. And these aren't the fringe guys that throw the names of Keyes, Tancredo, and Hunter out there (my apologies to the supporters of those guys) - it's a much larger portion. Rudy doesn't represent my values at all. He talks tough, and is very affable (heck, if it wasn't for his more vocal supporters, I'd probably like the guy), but he isn't conservative. And if you toss your values and conscience away as easily as that, I don't think you are, either.

"Then go ahead, but don't expect me to have any respect for your nonsensical smug position."

Who's smug? I'm scared. If Hillary is elected President, a lot of things I don't like will happen. If Rudy is elected President, a lot of things I don't like will happen. If I cast a vote for either one of them, who do I have to blame for that? Who?

"Keep going down that path, Bird... and the next thing we know, you'll be promoting pacifism, tinfoil hats, perpetual motion machines, chasing cars on all fours, howling at the moon, etc...

I know that isn't for me, but I have nooooo idea where you are going with that. If I left out anything you wanted addressed, let me know - I just grabbed what I thought were the main points.

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