"How do you like my clerical collar?"
Posted on 09/14/2007 7:30:16 AM PDT by NYer
But you've got to mangle and twist and shred the Bible to make the case that a woman can be a pastor/elder
some might disagree
2 Peter 1:21 For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
Acts 2:17 " 'In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.
PROPHETESSES [H5567, G4739] (speak before). Miriam (Ex 15:20). Deborah (Jdg 4:4). Huldah (2Ki 22:14). False (Eze 13:17-19). Isaiah's wife (Isa 8:3). All the daughters of Israel (Joel 2:28-29). Noadiah (Ne 6:14). Elizabeth (Lk 1:41-45). Anna (Lk 2:36-38). Daughters of Philip (Ac 21:9). Jezebel (Rev 2:20).
PROPHETS One who is spokesman for God (Exod 4:15-16; 7:1), whether by vision or otherwise, and is given insight into the mind of God, and declares what he has "seen" as a message to the people. It is not the mysterious mode of reception of the prophetic revelation that is emphasized, but rather the deliverance of the message itself for God.
The biblical prophet must be distinguished from the prophetes of the Greeks. The latter really acted as an interpreter for the muses and the oracles of the gods. The prophets, however, were not interpreters. They uttered the actual words that God had given to them, without any modification or interpretation on their part (Deut 18:18).
When Israel entered Canaan, it would find a people that sought to learn the future and the will of the gods by the practice of various superstitions, which the Bible calls "abominations" or "detestable ways" (Deut 18:9). To offset this danger the Lord declared that he would raise up the prophets and that the Israelites were to listen to the prophets and to obey them (18:15). In this passage, Scripture points both to a great individual prophet, one who would be as significant and central to the people as was Moses at Sinai, and also to what we would call the successive line of prophets. Note that in verses 21-22 a test was given to distinguish the true prophet from the false. Just as later the people would wonder if the next Davidic king in line would be the promised Greater David, so also from the time of Moses onward there was expectation of the coming Mosaic prophet (cf. Deut 34:10), and each prophet who arose would be scrutinized (cf. John 1:21) to see if he were the one Moses predicted. By the order of prophets, the Lord enabled his people to walk into the unknown future with faith and obedience, trusting in the sovereign God, not, as the pagan, trying to secure and control the future by magic rites. See also MAGIC.
In ancient Greece we have the god, the oracle, the prophet, and the people. The same seems to have been the case in the Mesopotamian countries. In Israel, however, there was only one intermediary between God and the people, namely, the prophet. This arrangement was truly unique.
It is sometimes said that the prophets were forth-tellers and not foretellers. Such a separation, however, is not warranted. The prophets were both forth-tellers, speaking forth the message of the Lord, as well as announcing the future.
In the arrangement of the books of the Hebrew OT there are three parts--the Law, the Prophets, and the Writings. The division known as the Prophets is further subdivided into the former and the latter prophets. Under the first heading are included Joshua, Judges, 1-2 Samuel, and 1-2 Kings. These books are anonymous, their authors are not known. These books are rightly classified as "former prophets" because the history they contain conforms to the biblical definition of prophecy as a declaration of the wonderful works of God (Acts 2:11, 18). This does not mean they are less than true history, but that the process of selection of things to record was performed to show how God was at work in and for his people and how the moral principles of divine providence worked out over the centuries.
The latter prophets are also called writing prophets. They are the prophets who exercised so great a ministry in Israel--Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, and the Twelve. The designation "latter" does not necessarily have reference to historical chronology, but is simply a designation of those prophetical books that follow the "former" prophets in the Hebrew arrangement of the OT. The "writing" prophets were not anonymous. The reason for this is that they were entrusted by God with the task and responsibility of addressing prophetical messages not only to the people of their own day but also to posterity; they must be accredited to their audience as genuine prophets.
The former and the latter prophets complemented one another. The "former" prophets set forth the history of a particular period in Israel's life; the "latter" prophets interpreted particular phases of that history. The one is necessary for the proper understanding of the other.
Schools of the prophets were raised up and served under Samuel. Following Samuel's death these prophetical bodies seem to have disbanded. We hear no more of them until the times of Elijah and Elisha. In Elijah's day they appear only in the northern kingdom. The designation "sons of the prophets" reveals the close and intimate association in which these men stood to the great prophets Elijah and Elisha. After this period, however, they seem to die out, and we hear no more of them.
Alongside the faithful and true prophets of the Lord there were others, men who had not received a revelation from God. Jeremiah refused to have anything to do with these men. They were not true prophets, but men who deceived.
In the OT there were three tests the people could apply in order to discern between the true and the false prophet. First, the theological test (Deut 13). Even if the prophet performed some sign to give validation to what he was saying, if his message contradicted Mosaic theology--the truth known about the Lord who brought his people out--the prophet was false. Second, the practical test (18:20 ff.). The prediction that is not fulfilled has not come from the Lord. We ought to notice that this is a negative test. It does not say that fulfillment is proof that the Lord has spoken, for that might in fact be the evidence offered by a false prophet to validate his word. What is not fulfilled is not from the Lord. Third, the moral test (Jer 23:9 ff.). This is a test first to be applied to the lives of the prophets themselves (23:13-14) and then to the tendency of the message they preach. Do they in fact strengthen the hands of evildoers, assuring them that they need not fear judgment to come (23:17)? This is a sure sign they have not stood before the Lord to hear his word (23:18-19). The prophet who comes fresh from the Lord's presence has a message turning people from evil (23:22).
The prophets spoke of future deliverance to be accomplished by the Messiah. It is this element of prophecy that we call "messianic prophecy." The word Messiah is itself not frequently used in the OT. It means "one who is anointed," and this anointing possesses an abiding character. The Messiah is a human individual who came to earth to perform a work of deliverance for God. He is also himself a divine person, as appears from passages such as Isaiah 9:5-6. He is to reign on David's throne
of course this all hinges on a belief that we are in the end times
credits (pradis & biblegateway.com)
"How do you like my clerical collar?"
This female is no more a Catholic priest in the way the term is commonly understood, i.e., validly ordained by a bishop in full communion with Rome, than are a Presbyterian minister or a rabbi. It just illustrates how unprofessional the MSM has become. These publications were just as liberal 20 years ago as they are now. However, they would never have called someone ordained by a religious association that had no ties with the Vatican and taught doctrines that Catholicism would consider in grave error a Catholic priest.
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Well I think that I’m a reporter for Newsweek and have been for 10 years. So what if they have never published anythibg of mine in their liberal rag? They never publish conservative writings.
So now that that is established, I think it is time to sue for 10 years back pay...
/duh
It’s a private joke in our family that the Cardinal is a space alien.
I did not write "prophet".
Hmph. Been done.
Given the rate at which “Pope Michael” excommunicates his followers, I suspect his congregation is down to him and his dog...and Rover’s thinking about a schism.
So Jesus was just joshing us with the whole 'narrow is the path' bit?
I sometimes think I’m a starship captain. I wish newsweak would do a story on me.
would someone be kind enough to help me define the original meaning of "prophet" and "saints"
Ephesians 4:10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.) 11And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Joel 2:28 “And afterward, I will pour out my Spirit on all people.Your sons and daughters will prophesy,your old men will dream dreams,your young men will see visions. 29 Even on my servants, both men and women, I will pour out my Spirit in those days.
The offices of prophet and priest might be combined in one person (John 11:49-52).(Pradis)
Preacher. One who heralds or proclaims, usually by delivering a discourse on a text of Scripture. Noah is referred to as "a preacher of righteousness" (2 Peter 2:5). Since the completion of the Bible, preaching has come to mean the exposition of the Word of God to believers or the declaration of the gospel message to unbelievers.(Pradis)
am I confusing pastor, prophetess, & saint ?
“am I confusing pastor, prophetess, & saint ?”
You could look at all those terms in context as they are used in the Bible.
Shoot, maybe you could get a book out of it!
The neckerchief is very 1970s Swedish Erotica-ish.
This poor soul may actually believe her assertions; it is yet another sign of the end times:
2 Thessalonians 2:11&12 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: that they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
cheeky
Im asking the question trying to keep it civil and friendly
I could have very well have dropped the subject stating that a prophet and pastor are one in the same.....and have basis in stating that
but if you want - you can get sarcastic
First Use in Scripture:
kohen - Hebrew for priest first used in Genesis 14:18 in reference to Melchizedek means principal officer
qadowsh - Hebrew for saint first used in Exodus 19:6 speaking to Moses in reference to a spiritual nation (ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and a holy (qadowsh) nation.) means sacred or holy.
c.1125, from O.Fr. seinte, altering O.E. sanct, both from L. sanctus "holy, consecrated" (used as a noun in L.L.), prop. pp. of sancire "consecrate" (see sacred). Adopted into most Gmc. languages (cf. O.Fris. sankt, Du. sint, Ger. Sanct). Originally an adj. prefixed to the name of a canonized person; by c.1300 it came to be regarded as a noun.
prophet
c.1175, from O.Fr. prophete (11c.), from L. propheta, from Gk. prophetes (Doric prophatas) "an interpreter, spokesman," especially of the gods, from pro- "before" + root of phanai "to speak," from PIE *bha- "speak" (see fame). Used in Septuagint for Heb. nabj "soothsayer." By early writers, Gk. prophetes was translated by L. vates, but the Latinized form propheta predominated in post-Classical times, chiefly due to Christian writers, probably because of pagan associations of vates. Non-religious sense is from 1848; used of Muhammad from 1615 (translating Arabic al-nabiy, and sometimes also al-rasul, prop. "the messenger"). The L. word is glossed in O.E. by witga. Prophetess is recorded from c.1300.
priest
O.E. preost, shortened from the older Gmc. form represented by O.S., O.H.G. prestar, O.Fris. prestere, from V.L. *prester "priest," from L.L. presbyter "presbyter, elder," from Gk. presbyteros (see Presbyterian). In O.T. sense, a transl. of Heb. kohen, Gk. hiereus, L. sacerdos. Priesthood is O.E. preosthad. Priestcraft originally was "the business of being a priest" (1483); after rise of Protestantism and the Enlightenment, it acquired a pejorative sense of "arts of ambitious priests for temporal power and social control" (1681).
And I'm a marine crustacean of the subclass Cirripedia.
Sorry. I honestly was not trying to be cheeky.
I think a word study on ‘prophet’ vs ‘priest’ would be beneficial.....
Now, does anyone know where can I get a round tooit?
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