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To: fishtank; MHGinTN; Alamo-Girl
I wrote "pastor/elder". I did not write "prophet".

would someone be kind enough to help me define the original meaning of "prophet" and "saints"

Ephesians 4:10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.) 11And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

Joel 2:28 “And afterward, I will pour out my Spirit on all people.Your sons and daughters will prophesy,your old men will dream dreams,your young men will see visions. 29 Even on my servants, both men and women, I will pour out my Spirit in those days.

The offices of prophet and priest might be combined in one person (John 11:49-52).(Pradis)

Preacher. One who heralds or proclaims, usually by delivering a discourse on a text of Scripture. Noah is referred to as "a preacher of righteousness" (2 Peter 2:5). Since the completion of the Bible, preaching has come to mean the exposition of the Word of God to believers or the declaration of the gospel message to unbelievers.(Pradis)

am I confusing pastor, prophetess, & saint ?

52 posted on 09/14/2007 2:42:16 PM PDT by Revelation 911 (prov 30:33)
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To: Revelation 911

“am I confusing pastor, prophetess, & saint ?”

You could look at all those terms in context as they are used in the Bible.

Shoot, maybe you could get a book out of it!


53 posted on 09/14/2007 2:46:34 PM PDT by fishtank ("Patriotic Nationalism?" - YES!!!....."Globalist Multiculturalism?" - NO!!!,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,)
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To: Revelation 911
“So Jessica would rather play make-believe, pretending she's a Catholic priest.”…

This poor soul may actually believe her assertions; it is yet another sign of the end times:
2 Thessalonians 2:11&12 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: that they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

55 posted on 09/14/2007 3:13:02 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support. Defend life support for others in the womb.)
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To: Revelation 911; MHGinTN; fishtank
For the discussion:

First Use in Scripture:

nabiy' – Hebrew for prophet first used in Genesis 20:7 means spokesman

kohen - Hebrew for priest first used in Genesis 14:18 in reference to Melchizedek means principal officer

qadowsh - Hebrew for saint first used in Exodus 19:6 speaking to Moses in reference to a spiritual nation (ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and a holy (qadowsh) nation.) means sacred or holy.

From Online Etymology Dictionary:

saint

c.1125, from O.Fr. seinte, altering O.E. sanct, both from L. sanctus "holy, consecrated" (used as a noun in L.L.), prop. pp. of sancire "consecrate" (see sacred). Adopted into most Gmc. languages (cf. O.Fris. sankt, Du. sint, Ger. Sanct). Originally an adj. prefixed to the name of a canonized person; by c.1300 it came to be regarded as a noun.

"Saint - A dead sinner revised and edited. The Duchess of Orleans relates that the irreverent old calumniator, Marshal Villeroi, who in his youth had known St. Francis de Sales, said, on hearing him called saint: 'I am delighted to hear that Monsieur de Sales is a saint. He was fond of saying indelicate things, and used to cheat at cards. In other respects he was a perfect gentleman, though a fool.' " [Ambrose Bierce]

Meaning "person of extraordinary holiness" is recorded from 1563. The verb meaning "to enroll (someone) among the saints" is attested from 1375. Applied widely to living things, diseases, objects and phenomena, e.g. Saint Bernard, the breed of mastiff dogs (1839), so called because they were used by the monks of the hospice of the pass of St. Bernard (between Italy and Switzerland) to rescue snowbound travelers; St. Elmo's Fire "corposant" (1561) is from It. fuoco di Sant'Elmo, named for the patron saint of Mediterranean sailors, a corruption of the name of St. Erasmus, an Italian bishop martyred in 303.

prophet

c.1175, from O.Fr. prophete (11c.), from L. propheta, from Gk. prophetes (Doric prophatas) "an interpreter, spokesman," especially of the gods, from pro- "before" + root of phanai "to speak," from PIE *bha- "speak" (see fame). Used in Septuagint for Heb. nabj "soothsayer." By early writers, Gk. prophetes was translated by L. vates, but the Latinized form propheta predominated in post-Classical times, chiefly due to Christian writers, probably because of pagan associations of vates. Non-religious sense is from 1848; used of Muhammad from 1615 (translating Arabic al-nabiy, and sometimes also al-rasul, prop. "the messenger"). The L. word is glossed in O.E. by witga. Prophetess is recorded from c.1300.

priest

O.E. preost, shortened from the older Gmc. form represented by O.S., O.H.G. prestar, O.Fris. prestere, from V.L. *prester "priest," from L.L. presbyter "presbyter, elder," from Gk. presbyteros (see Presbyterian). In O.T. sense, a transl. of Heb. kohen, Gk. hiereus, L. sacerdos. Priesthood is O.E. preosthad. Priestcraft originally was "the business of being a priest" (1483); after rise of Protestantism and the Enlightenment, it acquired a pejorative sense of "arts of ambitious priests for temporal power and social control" (1681).


57 posted on 09/14/2007 8:58:34 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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