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GOP's Ron Paul wants all troops home
Seattle Post-Intelligencer ^ | 09/12/07 | JOEL CONNELLY

Posted on 09/12/2007 7:21:50 AM PDT by presidio9

Amid a lineup of what ought to be called "big government conservatives," Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul stands out like the Lonesome End on Army's 1950s football teams.

Asked his policy on U.S. troops fighting in Iraq, the Texas congressman, now serving his 10th term, replies: "I would get them home as soon as possible."

And U.S. troops in Europe?

"I would get them home," Paul said in an interview Tuesday. "Having them stationed abroad doesn't serve our national interest, and that goes for forces in Japan and Korea.

"We should only send U.S. forces abroad when our security is directly threatened. Right now, nobody threatens our national security."

Such sentiments make Paul the odd man out in GOP debates. Other candidates have been seen smirking as he speaks.

Although described as a libertarian, the physician-politician is a throwback on stands that used to define "conservative" in America -- defense of individual liberties, a minimalist federal government and freedom from foreign entanglements.

"I call it a non-interventionist, constitutional foreign policy," he said Tuesday. "We should have a strong national defense. But we should stay out of other countries' internal affairs. Our role is not nation building, and not to be world policeman."

In Paul's view, the U.S. invasion of Iraq worked to encourage al-Qaida. "The motivation by suicide terrorists is that we have invaded territory that is not ours," he argued.

Paul will spend a hectic Friday in Seattle this week.

The events on his schedule range from a public lecture on the U.S. Constitution, set for 1:30 p.m. Friday at Seattle University's Campion Tower Ballroom, to a $2,000 private briefing scheduled for 3:30 p.m. at the College Club. Then a $1,000-per-person reception at the Westin reception will be followed by a 7:30 p.m. rally in the Grand Ballroom.

If you missed the movie "Twister," the Republicans' 2008 field offers lots of blustery, changing winds. Mitt Romney has reversed past stands on abortion and gay rights. Fred Thompson is trying to explain how he gave legal advice to a pro-choice feminist group. The thrice-married Rudy Giuliani is seeking to court the religious right.

Paul is not a man for campaign conversions -- even on a week that takes him to three liberal West Coast cities.

"My message is exactly the same wherever I go," he said. "If it is a liberal city where I am speaking, I try to teach them the virtue of economic liberties. If it is a conservative religious town, I try to stress why individual liberties are important."

Paul was a lonely Republican vote against passage and reauthorization of the USA Patriot Act. He feels the landmark post-9/11 law violated the Fourth Amendment, which provides Americans with guarantees against unreasonable search and seizure of their property.

If elected, said Paul, "I would do everything I can to repeal it. ... We do not need to spy on the American people to provide for our national security."

Born in Pennsylvania, Paul served in the Air Force as a flight surgeon, and moved to Texas to practice obstetrics and gynecology near Houston. He was drawn to politics when President Nixon severed the connection between the dollar and gold in 1971.

He would radically downsize the federal government. "I don't think there is any need for the Department of Education, the Department of Energy or particularly the monstrous Department of Homeland Security," he said Tuesday.

Asked what role he sees for the federal government in education, Paul replied: "None. Nothing in the Constitution provides for a federal role."

Paul would seek to divest the federal government of its vast landholdings in the West. "I would always move in the direction of moving those lands to the states, except in special circumstances such as national parks."

The Paul campaign has taken in about $3 million as of midyear, a fraction of money raised by the Romney ($43.5 million) and Giuliani ($35.4 million) juggernauts. In the West, Paul registers among donation leaders only in Montana and Wyoming.

Yet, the physician-politician has become a hit on the Internet. He is the candidate of voters, left and right, who would otherwise fill in "None of the Above" on pollsters' questionnaires.

Paul relishes being apart from the field, especially in talking about two favorite subjects -- Iraq and individual liberties. Of Democrats, he said: "They were elected to do something last fall, and they've done nothing. They've identified themselves as the party of civil liberties, and done nothing."

Nor does Paul have any sympathy for Republican "conservatives" who stress economic liberty but see nothing wrong with a government that pushes around its citizens. "You cannot have a Supreme Court that protects economic liberties and not individual liberties," he said.

On assisted suicide, talking as a physician, Paul said: "Taking someone's life is not something I want to get involved in." Yet, he describes legalization as "a state issue."

"I don't support abortion, but I don't want to pass any federal law to regulate it," he added.

In Texas, it is possible to run simultaneously for Congress and president. Paul intends to file for re-election to his House seat.

Has he seen any other Republican candidate he could support for the White House? "So far, nobody," he replied.


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To: West Coast Conservative

Is there any way to have this idiot recalled?


361 posted on 09/12/2007 1:46:57 PM PDT by End Times Crusader (Ron Paul - domestic enemy of America)
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To: Iwo Jima; AngryNeighbor

How does the constitution stand on shrimp subsidies, trolley subsidies for Galveston, bus subsidies for Galveston and other paleoPaulie earmarks of note???


362 posted on 09/12/2007 1:47:23 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: Iwo Jima
I take it that you support the UN and the Warren Supreme Court.

Shhhhhhhhh! Of course I do.

Signed,

Globalist Mod

;)

363 posted on 09/12/2007 1:50:20 PM PDT by Lead Moderator
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To: AngryNeighbor

Where in the constitution does it tell us to waste money on shrimp?


364 posted on 09/12/2007 1:52:31 PM PDT by rideharddiefast
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To: Iwo Jima
...but we are not in a declared war.

Bzzzzzzzt. Wrong again.

365 posted on 09/12/2007 1:52:42 PM PDT by Petronski (Cleveland Indians: Pennant -11)
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To: Iwo Jima
I never said that I supported Ron Paul's presidency.

Well aren't you slippery. Okay, so you never SAID you support him. But you certainly agree with him on his two most absurd positions: isolationism and goldbuggery. You also bear his ignorance of the Constitution.

Whether you have SAID you support him or not, it's pretty clear that you DO support him.

366 posted on 09/12/2007 1:57:01 PM PDT by Petronski (Cleveland Indians: Pennant -11)
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To: BlackElk
My dad worked in a cardboard factory. He was in the Navy in WWII (briefly because he had a permanent skull fracture discovered at Newport, RI) having volunteered on 12/8/41.

God's blessings on your dad for his service no matter how brief. He's a part of our country's heritage.

What we've forgotten here is the sacrifices of our ancestors who've made this Republic great and strong. When we begin arguing 'where' and 'when' our military seek to protect us, then we deserve to fail as a nation. God bless your father. God bless all those who served our country in whatever capacity. And God bless those who continue to believe in The USA as the strongest, and best hope this World has in democracy and freedom!

367 posted on 09/12/2007 1:57:03 PM PDT by bcsco ("The American Indians found out what happens when you don't control immigration.")
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To: Petronski

We all want our troops home. Just with honor and victory.


368 posted on 09/12/2007 1:57:49 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter
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To: End Times Crusader
"At one time, slavery was considered a state matter. The Constitution shouldn't be used as an excuse to deny people their inalienable, God-given rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

So, we should be like the liberals, and just pitch the Constitution??? Or worse yet, leave it to un-elected judges to "amend" it?? That's how we got INTO this mess in the first place. If you want such in the Constitution, pass an amendment adding it.

I happen to agree that the right to life SHOULD be protected--but the correct way to make that happen is to amend the Constitution to that affect.

369 posted on 09/12/2007 1:59:05 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: George W. Bush

McCrazy took Barry’s seat in 1986. Before that He took John Rhodes house seat. At that time I did not know he was crazy. I learned that after I got to know him.


370 posted on 09/12/2007 2:04:52 PM PDT by rideharddiefast
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To: BlackElk
S. Jackson's post #52 proposed a constitutional AMENDMENT to MAKE stopping abortion the fedgov's business.

Not me, that was a quote from the 2004 Republican Platform. All candidate Paul had to do was regurgitate it.

371 posted on 09/12/2007 2:05:32 PM PDT by SJackson (isolationism never was, never will be acceptable response to[expansionist] tyrannical governments)
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To: Texas Songwriter
Texas Songwriter: We all want our troops home. Just with honor and victory.

L.Ron Paul: We all want our troops home, NOW! [ELFEN FOOT STOMP]

372 posted on 09/12/2007 2:06:00 PM PDT by Petronski (Cleveland Indians: Pennant -11)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist; wideawake; livius; Antoninus; Tax-chick; ArrogantBustard; ninenot; ...
EEE: The idea of merely returning the abortion question to the states will guarantee the institutionalization of abortion for many years to come. Not that Paul has the slightest chance of nomination by any real political party, but he would nominate what to the SCOTUS??? Libertoonian moonbats??? People who spend their waking hours in pseudo-"constitutionalist" contortions???

Fred Thompson and Duncan Hunter and Tom Tancredo would not waste time looking for libertoonian crazies but would nominate SCOTUS justices in the mode of Scalia or Thomas or Roberts or Alito. When Roe is no more, then we go for federal personhood, hopefully in the same decision after about two more SCOTUS appointments.

On abortion as on war, paleoPaulie is a gutless two-faced do nothing wimp. He will never be acceptable as a GOP nominee for POTUS.

373 posted on 09/12/2007 2:09:07 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: Iwo Jima
I only intend to defend the Constitution and America by articulating time-honored libertarian and conservative principles.

Since when do articulating conservative principles include supporting an anti-American white flag waving coward?
374 posted on 09/12/2007 2:10:13 PM PDT by rideharddiefast
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To: presidio9
GOP's Ron Paul wants all troops home

My daddy used to say: "Want in one hand and **** in the other...."
375 posted on 09/12/2007 2:10:19 PM PDT by no dems (In the General Election; we must not let America forget that Fidel Castro endorsed Clinton/Obama)
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To: BlackElk
I know he would not want cardboard used for Paul.

No cardboard for you!


[Man, that's cold.]
376 posted on 09/12/2007 2:12:47 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: rideharddiefast
Since when do articulating conservative principles include supporting an anti-American white flag waving coward?

Are we talking about waving a white flag at the Mexicans and Saudis? Or someone else?
377 posted on 09/12/2007 2:15:59 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: Wonder Warthog
Actually, his position is the correct one under the Constitution. The Fedgov has no authority under the Constitution to regulate abortion, either for or against---it's a state function.

He is indeed right on this issue. He is right on the question of the appropriate federal role (none) in education, as well. On foreign policy he's whacked out.

378 posted on 09/12/2007 2:17:10 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: End Times Crusader
At one time, slavery was considered a state matter. The Constitution shouldn't be used as an excuse to deny people their inalienable, God-given rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That goes for slavery, abortion, and foreign policy.

I've never heard of an unalienable right to foreign policy. Regarding abortion, which right are we talking about, mom's or the baby's. There's a difference of opinion on that.

379 posted on 09/12/2007 2:18:06 PM PDT by SJackson (isolationism never was, never will be acceptable response to[expansionist] tyrannical governments)
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To: BlackElk
The idea of merely returning the abortion question to the states will guarantee the institutionalization of abortion for many years to come.

Two battles, the decision belongs to the states imo, and overturning Roe would be a plus, but there's a legitimate federal role to pursue under the Constitution.

380 posted on 09/12/2007 2:22:07 PM PDT by SJackson (isolationism never was, never will be acceptable response to[expansionist] tyrannical governments)
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