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GOP's Ron Paul wants all troops home
Seattle Post-Intelligencer ^ | 09/12/07 | JOEL CONNELLY

Posted on 09/12/2007 7:21:50 AM PDT by presidio9

Amid a lineup of what ought to be called "big government conservatives," Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul stands out like the Lonesome End on Army's 1950s football teams.

Asked his policy on U.S. troops fighting in Iraq, the Texas congressman, now serving his 10th term, replies: "I would get them home as soon as possible."

And U.S. troops in Europe?

"I would get them home," Paul said in an interview Tuesday. "Having them stationed abroad doesn't serve our national interest, and that goes for forces in Japan and Korea.

"We should only send U.S. forces abroad when our security is directly threatened. Right now, nobody threatens our national security."

Such sentiments make Paul the odd man out in GOP debates. Other candidates have been seen smirking as he speaks.

Although described as a libertarian, the physician-politician is a throwback on stands that used to define "conservative" in America -- defense of individual liberties, a minimalist federal government and freedom from foreign entanglements.

"I call it a non-interventionist, constitutional foreign policy," he said Tuesday. "We should have a strong national defense. But we should stay out of other countries' internal affairs. Our role is not nation building, and not to be world policeman."

In Paul's view, the U.S. invasion of Iraq worked to encourage al-Qaida. "The motivation by suicide terrorists is that we have invaded territory that is not ours," he argued.

Paul will spend a hectic Friday in Seattle this week.

The events on his schedule range from a public lecture on the U.S. Constitution, set for 1:30 p.m. Friday at Seattle University's Campion Tower Ballroom, to a $2,000 private briefing scheduled for 3:30 p.m. at the College Club. Then a $1,000-per-person reception at the Westin reception will be followed by a 7:30 p.m. rally in the Grand Ballroom.

If you missed the movie "Twister," the Republicans' 2008 field offers lots of blustery, changing winds. Mitt Romney has reversed past stands on abortion and gay rights. Fred Thompson is trying to explain how he gave legal advice to a pro-choice feminist group. The thrice-married Rudy Giuliani is seeking to court the religious right.

Paul is not a man for campaign conversions -- even on a week that takes him to three liberal West Coast cities.

"My message is exactly the same wherever I go," he said. "If it is a liberal city where I am speaking, I try to teach them the virtue of economic liberties. If it is a conservative religious town, I try to stress why individual liberties are important."

Paul was a lonely Republican vote against passage and reauthorization of the USA Patriot Act. He feels the landmark post-9/11 law violated the Fourth Amendment, which provides Americans with guarantees against unreasonable search and seizure of their property.

If elected, said Paul, "I would do everything I can to repeal it. ... We do not need to spy on the American people to provide for our national security."

Born in Pennsylvania, Paul served in the Air Force as a flight surgeon, and moved to Texas to practice obstetrics and gynecology near Houston. He was drawn to politics when President Nixon severed the connection between the dollar and gold in 1971.

He would radically downsize the federal government. "I don't think there is any need for the Department of Education, the Department of Energy or particularly the monstrous Department of Homeland Security," he said Tuesday.

Asked what role he sees for the federal government in education, Paul replied: "None. Nothing in the Constitution provides for a federal role."

Paul would seek to divest the federal government of its vast landholdings in the West. "I would always move in the direction of moving those lands to the states, except in special circumstances such as national parks."

The Paul campaign has taken in about $3 million as of midyear, a fraction of money raised by the Romney ($43.5 million) and Giuliani ($35.4 million) juggernauts. In the West, Paul registers among donation leaders only in Montana and Wyoming.

Yet, the physician-politician has become a hit on the Internet. He is the candidate of voters, left and right, who would otherwise fill in "None of the Above" on pollsters' questionnaires.

Paul relishes being apart from the field, especially in talking about two favorite subjects -- Iraq and individual liberties. Of Democrats, he said: "They were elected to do something last fall, and they've done nothing. They've identified themselves as the party of civil liberties, and done nothing."

Nor does Paul have any sympathy for Republican "conservatives" who stress economic liberty but see nothing wrong with a government that pushes around its citizens. "You cannot have a Supreme Court that protects economic liberties and not individual liberties," he said.

On assisted suicide, talking as a physician, Paul said: "Taking someone's life is not something I want to get involved in." Yet, he describes legalization as "a state issue."

"I don't support abortion, but I don't want to pass any federal law to regulate it," he added.

In Texas, it is possible to run simultaneously for Congress and president. Paul intends to file for re-election to his House seat.

Has he seen any other Republican candidate he could support for the White House? "So far, nobody," he replied.


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To: SJackson

Murder is not a proper focus of the federal government.


161 posted on 09/12/2007 9:47:30 AM PDT by Iwo Jima ("Close the border. Then we'll talk.")
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To: Nephi
...but pre-emptive, undeclared wars are unconstitutional and therefore, not conservative.

The constitution does not speak to pre-emptiveness in warmaking. If an undeclared war happens, be sure to let me know.

162 posted on 09/12/2007 9:47:53 AM PDT by Petronski (Cleveland Indians: Pennant -11)
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To: wideawake

Except on federal property, Congress is NOT authorized to make murder a federal crime. If you believe otherwise, please provide the specific article and section which grants fedgov that authority. Read the provisions of the Tenth amendment before you go looking.


163 posted on 09/12/2007 9:48:28 AM PDT by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: US at Risk; ejonesie22; Allegra
I didn't quote, just gave my sense from speeches viewed over the last few days, since I became interested in this guy.

That explains it.. Ron Paul is a political Rorschach test .. people don't want to vote for Ron Paul, they want to vote for themselves.. that is why they all explain away what Paul says or does with their own views/belief...

164 posted on 09/12/2007 9:49:19 AM PDT by mnehring (Thompson/Hunter '08- Time to have the real men in charge!)
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To: avacado
This will be his last term

Yeah, you GOP party hacks have been preaching gloom and doom on Paul's seat ever since he returned to Congress in 1997, even supporting RINOs against him. In TX, Paul can run for President and his Congressional seat simultaneously, so I'm sure he'll be assured of a job no matter what happens in the presidential race.

165 posted on 09/12/2007 9:49:19 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: oldfart
Some of the anti-Paul posters here are much the same. Their minds are made up.

Goes both ways.

To them, Ron Paul is nothing short of the Anti-Christ...

Nope. Just very misguided on foreign policy to the point of being dangerous to the nation.

Fortunately, the web doesn’t transmit spittle or their posts would be as wet as the shirt of that idiot protestor who spent several minutes making a fool of himself.

Are you through spitting now?

166 posted on 09/12/2007 9:52:11 AM PDT by bcsco ("The American Indians found out what happens when you don't control immigration.")
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To: Nephi
It is a neo-con globalist forum where dissent from war-mongering, nation building and policing the world is met with vitriolic attacks and invitations to leave, rather than reasoned discussion.

Reasoned discussion?

Your stream of consciousness sounds the latest al Jazeera broadcast from bin Laden.

167 posted on 09/12/2007 9:52:28 AM PDT by Petronski (Cleveland Indians: Pennant -11)
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To: deport
The Republican party has tried time and time again to defeat Ron Paul even if it means that a Democrat takes the seat. So far they have been woefully unsuccessful.

Here's hoping that they continue to be so.

I was in a real estate office in his district recently. They had his latest newsletter posted. They love him. But then it is a very conservative district. You would expect true conservatives to love him.
168 posted on 09/12/2007 9:53:08 AM PDT by Iwo Jima ("Close the border. Then we'll talk.")
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
" Yeah, you GOP party hacks have been preaching gloom and doom on Paul's seat ever since he returned to Congress in 1997, ..."

Huh? I haven't been preaching anything and especially anything about Ron Paul since 1997! Get a hold of yourself son.

Now that Ron Paul is "out of the closet" there is no way Texans in his district are going to reelect him... He's a MOONBAT!

169 posted on 09/12/2007 9:53:19 AM PDT by avacado
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To: Petronski

You say paranoid like its a bad thing?? To think that this is not an internet campaign by the DNC is a bit naive. 3/4 of these people are in the HilaryCare HQ.

Pray for W and Our Troops


170 posted on 09/12/2007 9:53:48 AM PDT by bray (Member of the FR President Bush underground fighting FR BDS)
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To: Nephi

Don’t rush me, lib.


171 posted on 09/12/2007 9:53:57 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
"I'm sure he'll be assured of a job no matter what happens in the presidential race.

Call me a risk taker, but I predict he will not win the Presidency in 2008.

172 posted on 09/12/2007 9:53:58 AM PDT by Sam's Army
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To: dfwgator

I disagree with your opinion that we have no alternative but to become the world’s policemen. And so do the American people. It’s the biggest electoral loser that I can think of.


173 posted on 09/12/2007 9:55:39 AM PDT by Iwo Jima ("Close the border. Then we'll talk.")
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To: Badeye
Who knew Rowan and Martin were workin the boards here at FR?

Arte Johnson played by Ron Paul. Wonder if he still has that tricycle?

174 posted on 09/12/2007 9:55:47 AM PDT by bcsco ("The American Indians found out what happens when you don't control immigration.")
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To: wideawake
Except, of course, that Ron paul is an enemy of the US Constitution.

Whatever else he may be, he is not an enemy of the Constitution. I don't see any way I could support him, but I definitely like his insistence on following the plain language of the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

why is it that the people who bray the loudest about defending the Constitution always adopt the arguments of the radical Anti-Federalists - the original sworn enemies of the US Constitution

The Anti-Federalists opposed the Constitution because it didn't have a Bill of Rights. Thanks to the Massachusetts Compromise and other state ratification agreements, the Anti-Federalists achieved that goal, and we have benefited from their foresight ever since. If you think we would have been better off sticking with the original un-amended Constitution, feel free to say so explicitly, but don't expect to find much support here or anywhere else in the political spectrum.

-ccm

175 posted on 09/12/2007 9:56:15 AM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: Iwo Jima
The Republican party has tried time and time again to defeat Ron Paul even if it means that a Democrat takes the seat.

What difference would it make. One cowardly anti-American takes a seat from another cowardly anti-American.
176 posted on 09/12/2007 9:57:49 AM PDT by John D
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To: Iwo Jima

It’s not about elections, or what is “popular,” it’s about doing the right thing. And the world is safer because we are the world’s policeman, like it or not.


177 posted on 09/12/2007 9:58:00 AM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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To: Vanbasten
When you become president, you cannot summarily deny decades of commitments made by those whom you may not have agreed with.< br>

You have to start reversing decades of an insane foreign policy somewhere. Why do you think that we should have troops stationed in Japan or Korea?

I would bring them home ASAP and put them on the southern border.
178 posted on 09/12/2007 9:59:10 AM PDT by Iwo Jima ("Close the border. Then we'll talk.")
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To: George W. Bush

“Paul is not a man for campaign conversions...”

One of the best lines in the article.


179 posted on 09/12/2007 9:59:27 AM PDT by takenoprisoner (I recall when a man standing for the Constitution wasn't the lone voice on the stage.)
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To: bray
To think that this is not an internet campaign by the DNC is a bit naive. 3/4 of these people are in the HilaryCare HQ.

Personally, I think you ought to name names or STFU.

Which FR posters are in the "HilaryCare HQ?"

180 posted on 09/12/2007 9:59:28 AM PDT by Petronski (Cleveland Indians: Pennant -11)
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