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(Islamic Sleeper Cells) "Our followers 'must live in peace until strong enough to wage jihad'"
Jihad Watch ^ | September 8, 2007 | Jihad Watch

Posted on 09/08/2007 8:11:05 PM PDT by DogByte6RER

September 8, 2007

"Our followers 'must live in peace until strong enough to wage jihad'"

"His views explode the myth that the creed of offensive, expansionist jihad represents a distortion of traditional Islamic thinking."

Let's hope. More on yesterday's story about Deobandi control of almost half of the mosques in the United Kingdom, by Andrew Norfolk for the Times Online:

One of the world’s most respected Deobandi scholars believes that aggressive military jihad should be waged by Muslims “to establish the supremacy of Islam” worldwide.

Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani argues that Muslims should live peacefully in countries such as Britain, where they have the freedom to practise Islam, only until they gain enough power to engage in battle.

His views explode the myth that the creed of offensive, expansionist jihad represents a distortion of traditional Islamic thinking.

Mr Usmani, 64, sat for 20 years as a Sharia judge in Pakistan’s Supreme Court. He is an adviser to several global financial institutions and a regular visitor to Britain. Polite and softly spoken, he revealed to The Times a detailed knowledge of world events and his words, for the most part, were balanced and considered. He agreed that it was wrong to suggest that the entire nonMuslim world was intent on destroying Islam. Yet this is a man who, in his published work, argues the case for Muslims to wage an expansionist war against nonMuslim lands.

Mr Usmani’s justification for aggressive military jihad as a means of establishing global Islamic supremacy is revealed at the climax of his book, Islam and Modernism. The work is a polemic against Islamic modernists who seek to convert the entire Koran into “a poetic and metaphorical book” because, he says, they have been bewitched by Western culture and ideology.

Just one of many pro-jihad books one may find on the shelves of London bookstores.

The final chapter delivers a rebuke to those who believe that only defensive jihad (fighting to defend a Muslim land that is under attack or occupation) is permissible in Islam. He refutes the suggestion that jihad is unlawful against a nonMuslim state that freely permits the preaching of Islam.

For Mr Usmani, “the question is whether aggressive battle is by itself commendable or not”. “If it is, why should the Muslims stop simply because territorial expansion in these days is regarded as bad? And if it is not commendable, but deplorable, why did Islam not stop it in the past?”

He answers his own question thus: “Even in those days ... aggressive jihads were waged ... because it was truly commendable for establishing the grandeur of the religion of Allah.”

These words are not the product of a radical extremist. They come from the pen of one of the most acclaimed scholars in the Deobandi tradition.

A new twist on an old excuse:

Mr Usmani told The Times that Islam and Modernism was an English translation of his original Urdu book, “which at times gives a connotation different from the original”.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: islam; islamofascism; jihad; jihadineurope; muhammadsminions; muslims; religionofpeace; takfiri; ukmuslims; wot
"Our followers 'must live in peace until strong enough to wage jihad'"

Why does this not surprise me?

1 posted on 09/08/2007 8:11:08 PM PDT by DogByte6RER
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To: DogByte6RER

Any other reason for CCW, as good a measure against the enemies of freedom?


2 posted on 09/08/2007 8:17:44 PM PDT by Issaquahking (N.H. FNC Debate "What did you do for America today?" Duncan Hunter for President!)
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Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket Here's a picture of muslims living in "peace" in the west. Imagine what their jihad will be like...
3 posted on 09/08/2007 8:18:51 PM PDT by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: DogByte6RER
"Our followers 'must live in peace until strong enough to wage jihad'"

Most people don't realize Islam's concept of peace is completely different from the western viewpoint as the following article describes.

Islamic Scholar Warns U.S. of 'Two-Faced' Muslims
4 posted on 09/08/2007 8:20:15 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: DogByte6RER

We had better have paramilitary ready to take out all of their camps here in the US... and they have many.

LLS


5 posted on 09/08/2007 8:45:46 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims!)
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To: DogByte6RER

The reverse also holds true. The greatest weakness of Islam is not being able to control the lives of those under its sway. When Muslims are free to be able to choose to NOT be Muslims, they leave Islam in droves.

This also means that the West has a powerful tool to defeat Islam. Just the insistence that they must integrate, obey the secular law, and that they are forbidden to coerce others, Muslim and non-Muslim.

There is no right to form closed ghetto communities, to force marriage, to punish those who do not wish to be punished for violating religious laws and edicts. Nor can adult children be forced to remain in their religion. Divorce can be granted without the consent of both parties, and is indifferent to what their religion allows. And children can be required to learn to the minimum education standards of their State.

Investigations into child abuse for beatings and female circumcision can result in that child or children being removed from their parents home and to be placed in foster care. And there is no requirement that the foster parents be Muslims.

But more than leaving Islam entirely, Muslims who are not coerced into remaining Muslim can challenge anti-social aspects of their religion. They are free to practice their religion as they see fit and still call themselves Muslim.

Granted, society must do much more to protect such “Muslims of conscience” from violence and murder from other Muslims and even from their own families. Eventually, we can hope that an organization of “reformed Islam”, that embraces peace, non-violence and freedom will arise, and will become a sanctuary sect for Muslims rejecting, rejected and threatened by their current sect, ethnic group and family.

Such a sanctuary community will be bitterly and frequently attacked by violent and oppressive Muslims, but that is to be expected. But by its very existence, threatening Islam will itself be threatened in the West.


6 posted on 09/08/2007 9:05:42 PM PDT by Popocatapetl
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To: DogByte6RER

I’m guessing there’s quite a few Americans who are willing to live in peace too, until these excrement-heads cross the line.


7 posted on 09/08/2007 9:06:05 PM PDT by Steely Tom (I wasn't able to vote against Hitler, but I can vote NO on Hillary!)
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To: DogByte6RER

It appears that militant Isalm and Islam are one and the same..

It is now clear, that “Moderate Muslims” are the Trojan Horse of Militant Islam...

Moderate Muslims are simply still holding their grenades with the pins still intact.


8 posted on 09/08/2007 10:07:43 PM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: DogByte6RER

Bark Bark goes Pavlov’s dog.


9 posted on 09/08/2007 10:36:50 PM PDT by Valin (History takes time. It is not an instant thing.)
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To: river rat

http://www.hawaiireporter.com/story.aspx?2b2843f6-7402-40a0-bd6e-fd847f14b636


10 posted on 09/09/2007 12:49:02 AM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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To: LibLieSlayer

The police will surround and protect their camps.


11 posted on 09/09/2007 6:22:41 AM PDT by omega4179 (Was one of the guys named Mohammed?)
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To: omega4179
"The police will surround and protect their camps." I was not referring to citizens... but FBI, DHS etc. The US Military is forbidden to engage domestically, without a declaration. If the FED is not prepared to defend against internal armed conflict... what good are they? I cannot fathom not having Federal paramilitary types to handle these situations when they arise... and they will arise... al qaeda is building and training within our borders every single day.

LLS

12 posted on 09/09/2007 7:00:49 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims!)
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To: DogByte6RER
http://www.rotten.com/library/conspiracy/al-qaeda-and-the-assassins/outreach/
Takfiri cells are trained to blend into Western societies, which they view as "kufar" (atheist, corrupt, or infidel) in order to plot terrorist attacks against those "corrupt" societies. Members of Takfiri cells may live together, not pray or attend Mosque, partake in alcohol and narcotics, and dress to assimilate and integrate into the communities they live in an attempt to avoid suspicion and/or detection.
13 posted on 09/10/2007 6:08:24 PM PDT by Dajjal
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To: river rat

“Moderate Muslims” = “Nice Nazis”


14 posted on 09/10/2007 6:12:32 PM PDT by MarineDad (Whenever mosques and JDAM's meet, civilization benefits.)
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To: DogByte6RER

It is time to outlaw Islam in America.

It is not a religion, and its siren call for the death of infidels is a call for insurrection.

A peaceful society cannot tolerate those who would destroy them.


15 posted on 09/10/2007 6:20:24 PM PDT by exit82 (Major General, Armchair Warriors USA)
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To: exit82
Hear, Hear!

This abomination is most decidedly not a religion, but an insane, barbaric death cult.

Folks didn't take very kindly to Thuggee - they obliterated it - so why should we have to put up with this pox on civilization, too?

16 posted on 09/10/2007 6:26:28 PM PDT by MarineDad (Whenever mosques and JDAM's meet, civilization benefits.)
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