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Study: Iraqi security forces not ready (according to a new independent assessment.)
AP on Yahoo ^ | 9/5/07 | Anne Flaherty - ap

Posted on 09/05/2007 7:41:45 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

WASHINGTON - Iraq's security forces will be unable to take control of the country in the next 18 months, and Baghdad's national police force is so rife with corruption it should be scrapped entirely, according to a new independent assessment.

The study, led by retired Marine Corps Gen. James Jones, is a sweeping and detailed look at Iraq's security forces that will factor heavily into Congress' upcoming debate on the war. Republicans see success by the Iraqi forces as critical to bringing U.S. troops home, while an increasing number of Democrats say the U.S. should stop training and equipping such units altogether.

The 20-member panel of mostly retired senior military and police officers concludes that Iraq's military, in particular its army, shows the most promise of becoming a viable, independent security force with time. But the group predicts an adequate logistics system to support these ground forces is at least another two years away.

The report also offers a scathing assessment of Iraq's Interior Ministry and recommends scrapping Iraq's national police force, which it describes as dysfunctional and infiltrated by militias.

Overall, Iraqi security forces "have the potential to help reduce sectarian violence, but ultimately the ISF will reflect the society from which they are drawn," according to the report, a copy of which was obtained by The Associated Press. "Political reconciliation is the key to ending sectarian violence in Iraq."

The United States has spent $19.2 billion on developing Iraq's forces, and plans to spend $5.5 billion more next year. According to Jones' study, the Iraqi military comprises more than 152,000 service members operating under the Defense Ministry, while the Interior Ministry oversees some 194,000 civilian security personnel, including police and border control.

The review is one of several studies that Congress commissioned in May, when it agreed to fund the war for several more months but demanded that the Bush administration and outside groups assess U.S. progress in the four-year war.

Jones, a former commander of U.S. troops in Europe and former Marine Corps commandant, is scheduled to testify before Congress on Thursday. Defense Secretary Robert Gates and other officials have already been briefed on the study, officials said last week.

A senior Pentagon official said Wednesday that the military does not believe the Iraqi national police should be disbanded but acknowledges that getting the Iraqi army up to speed will take a while.

"We've always recognized that this was a long-term project," Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell said Wednesday. "Getting the Iraqi army on its feet and capable of defending the borders of the country independently is not an overnight project." He added: "It is our belief that this will come to fruition. It's going to take some time to happen."

Several lawmakers — many of whom face tough elections next year — said they would be unswayed by the Jones report and other independent assessments. Congress would fare better by finding a bipartisan solution that would bring troops home, they say.

"No matter what these reports suggest or what Congress infers from them, it is clear that it is time to develop a post-surge strategy," wrote 13 lawmakers, including three Republicans, on Wednesday to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md.

But other lawmakers were expected to take keen interest in Jones' report, which is a rare, detailed look at individual pieces of Iraq's emerging security force. The report was requested by Sen. John Warner, R-Va., the No. 2 Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee, who said he wanted an assessment independent of the Pentagon's findings.

According to the study, the panel agreed with U.S. and Iraqi officials that the Iraqi army is capable of taking over an increasing amount of day-to-day combat responsibilities but that the military and police force would still be unable to take control and operate independently in such a short time frame.

"They are gaining size and strength, and will increasingly be capable of assuming greater responsibility for Iraq's security," the report states, adding that special forces in particular are "highly capable and extremely effective."

The report is much more pessimistic about Baghdad's police units. It describes these units as fragile, ill-equipped and infiltrated by militia forces. And they are led by the Interior Ministry, which is "a ministry in name only" that is "widely regarded as being dysfunctional and sectarian, and suffers from ineffective leadership."

Accordingly, the study recommends disbanding the national police and starting over.

"Its ability to be effective is crippled by significant challenges, including public distrust, sectarianism (both real and perceived), and a lack of clarity about its identity — specifically whether it is a military or a police force," the report states.

A group of liberal Democrats said Wednesday the U.S. should stop supporting these forces entirely and withdraw U.S. troops.

"How can we be sure we are not putting guns into the hands of a future enemy and empowering them for generations to come?" said Rep. Maxine Waters, D-Calif.

Other Democrats say party leaders have set their sights on the $147 billion Bush requested for the war as a means of forcing a drawdown of U.S. forces. The money was requested by Bush to pay for combat in budget year 2008, which begins Oct. 1.

Rep. James Moran, D-Va., a member of the House panel that oversees the military budget, said an option being considered is a bill that funds the troops, but in three- or four-month installments, and directs the money pay only to bring them home.

The approach would guarantee another showdown with Bush on the war before year's end, putting Republicans squarely in the middle of the debate. With Democrats lacking the two-thirds majority needed to override a presidential veto, they need GOP votes to force legislation ending the war.

GOP leaders say they are waiting to hear from Gen. David Petraeus, the top military commander in Iraq. But they said they aren't so sure they'll lose members to the Democrats' anti-war push.

"The success our troops have had put some oxygen back in the room, both for the party and the American public," said Rep. Adam Putnam, R-Fla., the No. 3 House Republican.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alqedapress; iraq; iraqi; isf; jamesjones; leftistpropaganda; notready; progress; securityforces; study

1 posted on 09/05/2007 7:41:49 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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Iraqi soldiers guard a detainee arrested in the city of Baqouba, some 35 miles northeast of Baghdad, Iraq, Saturday, Sept. 1, 2007. (AP Photo)


2 posted on 09/05/2007 7:42:21 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline—1-866-DHS-2-ICE)
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Iraqi police cadets parade during their graduation ceremony at Imam Ali Police Academy in the Iraqi central Shiite holy city of Najaf, July 2007. The Pentagon said Wednesday it opposed dismantling the Iraqi police, contrary to recommendations in a military report calling for a complete overhaul of the country's police forces.(AFP/File/Qassem Zein)


3 posted on 09/05/2007 7:43:04 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline—1-866-DHS-2-ICE)
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How frickin’ long did it take to ‘pacify’ and rebuild Europe and Japan after the wars?

It’s fine being critical but take a breath now and then, if you would, Experts! Thanks.


4 posted on 09/05/2007 7:46:36 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline—1-866-DHS-2-ICE)
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To: NormsRevenge
Building a capable army and an impartial national police will take decades. Iraq only emerged from a totalitarian dictatorship four years ago. We need to make a long term commitment to helping Iraqis build durable democratic institutions. The violence wreaked by Al Qaeda and Ba'ath insurgents slowed down our work and made it more difficult. What we're doing in an investment in our long term future and its not going to be realized in one or two election cycles. Politicians have a tendency to look to the short term. A free country isn't as easily prepared as a frozen microwave dinner. That's something the critics should take in account.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

5 posted on 09/05/2007 7:47:53 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: NormsRevenge

Agreed! We just get a little momentum going and some well meaning/or not so and so starts hawking their latest “worst news ever” study.

Enought already! Just damn. Do these folks want to win the war or destroy the public’s faith once and for all?

Shut the hell up!


6 posted on 09/05/2007 7:50:03 PM PDT by DoughtyOne ((Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking its heritage.))
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To: goldstategop
Curious how it seems only the negatives are being presented here by our “objective news media”.

So it would seems the Democrats Propaganda offensive to poison the PR well BEFORE General Petraus makes his report is now kicking into high gear.

Wonder why none of the Democrat Leadership will meet with this group?

http://www.vetsforfreedom.org/

7 posted on 09/05/2007 7:52:48 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (http://www.vetsforfreedom.org/)
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To: NormsRevenge

Iraq’s security forces will be unable to take control of the country in the next 18 months, and probably won’t be ready any time during the next 18 years.

Old Paul Harvey disappointed me when he opined that today’s tribal, Arab Muslim is not now and may never be ready for civilized, representative government, but I do now believe Paul to be correct. Back in 2003, Bush, Cheney, Hillary, Edwards, and I all mis-overestimated those backward, Middle Eastern, Iron Age barbarians.


8 posted on 09/05/2007 8:02:55 PM PDT by flowerplough (Not a sociopath, merely a delusional narcissist.)
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To: NormsRevenge
[”How can we be sure we are not putting guns into the hands of a future enemy and empowering them for generations to come?” said Rep. Maxine Waters, D-Calif.]

Like what the Clintons did for the Peoples Republic of China.

9 posted on 09/05/2007 8:04:17 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee ("A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.")
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To: NormsRevenge
How about South Korea? We’ve had at least 37,000 U.
S. troops there for more than 50 years. It has a militarized frontier with North Korea—which incites shooting skirmishes along the border on a regular basis. Thousands of long-range communist artillery pieces are dug into the highlands just north of the DMZ, all registered on targets in Seoul, South Korea’s capital.

Who would have really believed—50 years ago—that South Korea would become secure and stable enough to become a major industrial, political and military power in the world?

All of it was bought by the blood of generations who were more afraid of losing personal and national honor than they were afraid of dying.

10 posted on 09/05/2007 9:18:02 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee ("A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.")
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To: NormsRevenge

Ah, yes, the Associated Press.

The Worst News Organization in America strikes again!


11 posted on 09/05/2007 9:18:31 PM PDT by jmyrlefuller ("The Price is Right has given away more money than anyone except welfare"-- Bob Barker)
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