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Southwest fashion police set no-fly zone
SAN DIEGO UNION-TRIBUNE ^ | September 5, 2007 | Gerry Braun

Posted on 09/05/2007 10:37:55 AM PDT by brityank

Southwest fashion police set no-fly zone



CRISSY PASCUAL / Union-Tribune
A Southwest employee asked Kyla Ebbert, wearing this outfit, to change or leave the plane.

As the mercury climbed over 100 on Labor Day, I called Southwest Airlines with a not entirely hypothetical question:

Could a young woman board a flight to Tucson today wearing a bikini top?

Angelique, the agent who took my call, assured me that a young woman could.

“We don't have a problem with it if she's covered up in all the right spots,” she said. “We don't have a dress code.”

Tell that to Kyla Ebbert, who was escorted off a Southwest Airlines flight two months ago for wearing an outfit far less revealing than a bikini top.

Ebbert, a Mesa College student and Hooters waitress, was allowed to stay on the plane, but only after she put up a fight and, she says, was lectured on how to dress properly.

I don't know about you, but one of my big gripes with the airlines is that they just don't take the time to dispense fashion advice any more.

Southwest explained its treatment of Ebbert in a letter to her mother, saying it could remove any passenger “whose clothing is lewd, obscene or patently offensive” to ensure the comfort of children and “adults with heightened sensitivities.”

Ebbert, 23, says she was judged unfairly by the airline and humiliated by the experience. Who wouldn't be?

She had a doctor's appointment that afternoon in Tucson, where temperatures had topped 106 all week. She arrived at Lindbergh Field wearing a white denim miniskirt, high-heel sandals, and a turquoise summer sweater over a tank top over a bra.

After the plane filled, and the flight attendants began their safety spiel, Ebbert was asked to step off the plane by a customer service supervisor, identified by the airline only as “Keith.”

They walked out onto the jet bridge, where Keith told Ebbert her clothing was inappropriate and asked her to change. She explained she was flying to Tucson for only a few hours and had brought no luggage.

“I asked him what part of my outfit was offensive,” she said. “The shirt? The skirt? And he said, 'The whole thing.' ”

Keith asked her to go home, change and take a later flight. She refused, citing her appointment. The plane was ready to leave, so Keith relented. He had her pull up her tank top a bit, pull down her skirt a bit, and return to her seat.

Ebbert says several flight attendants overheard the conversation and, after an embarrassing walk down the aisle, she took her seat and spread a blanket over her lap. She kept her composure until the plane landed, when she called her mother and broke down.

She took a photo of herself with her cell phone so her mother could see her clothes. That's when mom became livid.

“My daughter is young, tall, blond and beautiful,” Michele Ebbert told me, “and she is both envied and complimented on her appearance. She dresses provocatively, as do 99 percent of 23-year-old girls who can. But they were out of line.”

Who knows where the lines are drawn these days, particularly when it comes to dress? If you watch television, or visit the mall, or take in a game at Petco Park, you'll see women dressed in ways that, 50 years ago, were pornographic. Today they are stylish.

A Supreme Court justice famously could not define “obscene,” and declaring a thing “lewd” imputes motive. Did Kyla Ebbert intend to excite sexual desire on that flight to Tucson? I doubt it, just as I doubt that flight attendants are proper judges of such matters.

But neither am I. So when I arranged to see Ebbert in the notorious outfit, I brought along my fashion advisers, writer Nina Garin and photojournalist Crissy Pascual, who for years collaborated on a feature in this newspaper called “Seen on the Street.”

The three of us met Ebbert and her mother for lunch at Nordstrom Cafe. Ebbert, who is 5-foot-5 and has green eyes, is pretty enough to be a model.

Yet even wearing the clothes that scandalized Southwest, she did not attract attention beyond some lingering glances.

My fashion advisers were baffled, saying they saw nothing you don't see on a college campus or in Pacific Beach.

“I was expecting to be shocked, and I was shocked the other way,” Pascual told me.

“It wasn't a big deal,” Garin said. “Her skirt was a bit short, which was only accented by her heels. If she had been wearing flip-flops it wouldn't have mattered.”

Garin wondered if a jealous woman may have complained about Ebbert's outfit. I asked her what she would have said had she been on the plane.

“ 'I hope she's not sitting next to my husband,' ” Garin replied. “She's pretty. She wears her clothes well. But I wouldn't complain about it.”

Pascual detected sexism in the way Ebbert was treated, wondering if a man would have been asked to change clothes. Do men dress inappropriately? “I see butt cracks, a lot of butt cracks,” she said.

In its letter, Southwest said “there were concerns about the revealing nature of her outfit.”

I called Hollye Chacón, the Southwest customer relations representative who wrote the letter, to see if we were talking about the same outfit.

“What exactly was being revealed?” I asked.

She said yesterday she'd call back, but never did. That's pretty revealing in itself.


Gerry Braun: (619) 542-4563;



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Arizona; US: California
KEYWORDS: burkasforall; dresscode; flyingimam; southwest; southwestairlines
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To: brityank

[Just what was going through that guy’s mind?]

Tap Tap
Tap Tap Tap?


121 posted on 09/05/2007 11:32:53 AM PDT by VxH (One if by Land, Two if by Sea, and Three if by Wire Transfer)
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To: brityank

I see women with their underwear purposely showing and she gets talked to about how she is dressed?


122 posted on 09/05/2007 11:36:18 AM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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To: netmilsmom
"...Define ugly.
It’s in the eye of the beholder...."


123 posted on 09/05/2007 11:36:25 AM PDT by NCC-1701 (PUT AN END TO ORGANIZED CRIME. ABOLISH THE I.R.S.)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

I took America West once long before the merger, and yes it was a good airline. Uesless Air does have a way of ruining every airline it merges with or acquires.


124 posted on 09/05/2007 11:37:18 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: GovernmentIsTheProblem; Jaysun

Just remember, she’s a 23-year-old who whines to Mommy.


125 posted on 09/05/2007 11:38:14 AM PDT by Xenalyte (Can you count, suckas? I say the future is ours . . . if you can count.)
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To: brityank
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126 posted on 09/05/2007 11:39:05 AM PDT by lesser_satan (FRED THOMPSON '08)
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To: brityank

I think Keith was an idiot - or gay.

I see nothing wrong with the young lady’s cloths.

Summer time in the South/West? - KEITH you’re and idiot.


127 posted on 09/05/2007 11:39:19 AM PDT by PeteB570 (Guns, what real men want for Christmas)
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To: dighton
I hate the hairdo’s and the boots ! Yuck, I never like the bouffant hair style !
128 posted on 09/05/2007 11:39:48 AM PDT by CORedneck
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To: mewzilla
Who the heck would sit on a filthy aiplane seat in a miniskirt sans undies??

britney, lindsey, paris, nicole..
129 posted on 09/05/2007 11:41:28 AM PDT by absolootezer0 (stop repeat offenders- don't re-elect them!)
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To: NCC-1701
You know, we had a nice, clean thread running here -- until YOU had to scum it up!       ;^)
130 posted on 09/05/2007 11:41:29 AM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: netmilsmom
This post makes sense. I could understand if she were pulling a “Sharon Stone”.

Wow! I've never been accused of that before. I can assure you, my observation was mostly about wishful thinking. 8^)

131 posted on 09/05/2007 11:41:44 AM PDT by AngryJawa ({IDPA, NRA} All Hail John Moses Browning)
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To: Xenalyte
Just remember, she’s a 23-year-old who whines to Mommy.

She just needs a husband to spank her a few times, that's all.
132 posted on 09/05/2007 11:43:00 AM PDT by Jaysun (It's outlandishly inappropriate to suggest that I'm wrong.)
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To: brityank

Sorry ‘bout that. ;-)


133 posted on 09/05/2007 11:43:02 AM PDT by NCC-1701 (PUT AN END TO ORGANIZED CRIME. ABOLISH THE I.R.S.)
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To: fatnotlazy
When I flew a few times this Summer, I wore sandals, cutoff jeans and t-shirt. She would have "loved" my outfit ! I dress for comfort, not for fashion.

My late Aunt Gussie lived in California, so when she traveled back to the ‘burgh, she was dressed to the nines — hat and white gloves, dressy dress, pumps, etc. etc.. She was mortified when I came out to see her. I was in my 20’s then, and didn’t own a hat or white gloes, or even a proper dress for that matter. I came off the plane in shorts and a t shirt. She was mortified. LOL

Wonder what she would have thought of this gal’s get-up? Aunt Gussie might be rolling over in her grave.

134 posted on 09/05/2007 11:43:45 AM PDT by CORedneck
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To: CORedneck
Surprised to hear this from SW Airlines ! Usually they always been laid back and informal. I would have expected to hear something like this from United Airlines more than anyone else !

wasn't it also this airline that, a year or so back, a lady claimed she was kicked off for wearing a "political, bush bashing" shirt. (in reality, the shirt had the f-word on it, which was why she was asked to cover it, turn it inside out, or leave.)
135 posted on 09/05/2007 11:46:11 AM PDT by absolootezer0 (stop repeat offenders- don't re-elect them!)
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To: brityank
“I asked him what part of my outfit was offensive,” she said. “The shirt? The skirt? And he said, 'The whole thing.' ”

Hmmm ... so the stewardette is a complete fag.

136 posted on 09/05/2007 11:47:23 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (“Jesus Saves. Moses Delivers. Cthulu Reposesses...”)
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To: ozaukeemom

“Maybe someone wanted her place.”

I’d take her seat.


137 posted on 09/05/2007 11:47:42 AM PDT by toddlintown (Five bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
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To: mewzilla

That is the first thing I thought!


138 posted on 09/05/2007 11:48:06 AM PDT by red irish (Gods Children in the womb are to be loved too!)
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To: wallcrawlr; Tatze

Woodie ping.


139 posted on 09/05/2007 11:49:22 AM PDT by Maximus of Texas (On my signal, pull my finger.)
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To: brityank

This airline has better hiring guidlines

140 posted on 09/05/2007 11:49:26 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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