Posted on 09/05/2007 10:15:05 AM PDT by MittFan08
Really? And all those Federal laws mandating how States must spend education dollars, or withholding Highway money if the State fails to adopt a 21 year old drinking age, are legitimately Federal?
Man, have you been asleep for the last seventy years or so? The feds ROUTINELY dictate state and local matters to the states, the 10th Amendment be damned. Given that the bill dealt with emergency medical care and public education, those are NOT federal matters - or at least should not be.
“Fred is the real deal, the rest are just pretend.”
Ok, now that’s the attitude regarding Fred I just don’t get. Am I safe in assuming that you are a conservative Republican who wants a similar, ELECTABLE (sorry, Duncan Hunter fans) candidate? Well so do I.
So a conservative newspaper publishes a story saying that Fred was one of only 6 Senators who wanted illegal aliens to get more than basic benefits, and you don’t have any questions or doubts at all about Fred?
I may well vote for Fred. Doubt me if you want based on my handle (I chose it many months ago when I was much more enthusiastic about Romney than I am now) but it’s the truth. But I certainly won’t vote for him without critically examining his record, votes, views expressed in debates, etc. It seems to me that Fred has done so little publically in the last several months that it would be impossible for anyone to have a firm opinion on just what he’s about. Especially in light of reports like the one today.
Let’s have a debate, not a coronation.
Or, like a lot of articles on a lot of candidates, they choose to pick and choose votes that fit the story line instead of looking at the entire record or they take procedural votes and make them look like bill votes,.. (or worse, use bad information like what NumbersUSA posts..)
http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Fred_Thompson_Immigration.htm
Talk about jumping to conclusions. Someone can vote against a bill without "wanting" aliens to get more than basic benefits - they can instead believe that the fedgov should have no say in the matter under the 10th Amendment.
The definition of insanity is continuing to do the same thing over and over, and expecting different results.
Ok, let’s assume that what you say is true. I don’t think it is, but let’s assume it is.
Does that mean that you agree with Fred and 5 other Senators that the states should have the right to give illegal aliens public benefits above and beyond emergency care and education (I personally don’t think they should even get that)?
I say heck no- giving an indivual state the right to give even state benefits to people who have broken federal laws is a terrible idea. If serves as a magnet for illegals to cross the border, and it allows states like California that have a Latino majority to force law-abiding non-Latinos to subsidize the invasion.
Do you disagree?
Yes, it's a bad thing to have conservative voices as members in a think-tank. It is much better if we make sure that all the contributions to their policy papers and studies come only from a liberal view point.
The story said he voted against a measure, it didn't say he was for them getting more benefits. Though that was the conclusion intended for you to reach. Unless you are familiar with the actual bill and what it contained, beware of other people's agendas when they make conclusory statements like the author did.
Read the 10th Amendment and get back to us.
Law & Order is a TV SHOW!
Debates work best with vetted facts instead of emotionally-driven conclusions from incomplete information.
So is most of modern politics, quite frankly.
Ah, so who cares about the 10th Amendment? Let's disregard the tenth when it suits us, and then the liberals will disregard the 10th when it suits them, and we instead grow the entire federal government into a behemoth that will tax the heck out of productive citizens to subsidize a huge federal welfare system. And then it won't matter whether you live in California or South Dakota. At least under federalism, if California is being stupid, you can move elsewhere to get away from the stupidity.
So Latinos aren't actual Americans? Could have fooled my wife. She's Latino and is also a native-born citizen of native-born parents.
Did you notice these other parts of the article?:
An adviser to the campaign on immigration matters, who asked not to be named, said Mr. Thompson had concerns about how broadly the public-benefits provision was drawn. As for the employer verification system, the adviser said Mr. Thompson joined a majority of Republicans in the chamber in opposing it, with many of them thinking the new system would lead to a national ID card.
Look, I like to watch drama on t.v. just as much as the next person, but the actors are just acting.
It’s scary to think that even Republicans are having a hard time telling the difference between fantasy and reality. No wonder we’re in so much trouble these days.
This discourse confirms one of my suspicions — that many FredHeads are fans of his t.v. show. Personally, I have never seen Fred Thompson in anything on t.v. and I am unimpressed with the real man. Maybe if I was a faithful fan of Law & Order I would be a FredHead, too.
One website that a lot of articles refer to (NumbersUSA) shows Thompson voting for S1556 when he actually opposed: http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=105&session=1&vote=00265
Another bill, S1664 never made it to a vote, it was killed in committee: ( http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_keyvote_detail.php?cs_id=V907&can_id=53292 )-they take a procedural vote to move a bill from one committee to another committee and label that as supporting the bill.
Sure and you screen name sure makes you open minded . LOL,
What a crock!
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