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Ben Stein: Gestapo Tactics Got Larry Craig
NewsMax ^ | 4 September 07 | NewsMax

Posted on 09/04/2007 7:48:46 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast

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To: TNCMAXQ
who did not do anything as serious or violent as Vick is alleged to have done

Vick pleaded guilty to one count of "conspiracy to travel in interstate commerce in aid of unlawful activities and to sponsor a dog in an animal fighting venture"was carged with illegal gambling! And pleaded to same!

Facts are Facts!

61 posted on 09/04/2007 8:42:15 PM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: org.whodat

Perhaps you should bring your own porta potty! ;)
susie


62 posted on 09/04/2007 8:42:44 PM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: FreedomCalls

I guess I don’t see much of an analogy between McCarthyism and police undercover sting operations targeting solicitation of lewd behavior in a public restroom.


63 posted on 09/04/2007 8:43:04 PM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast

Craig plead guilty, therefore he is guilty.

If I was a United States Senator falsely accused by a policeman of soliciting gay sex in an airport bathroom, I would not rest until my name was cleared - and that cop’s head was mounted on my living room wall.

I can see situations in which poor, weak, or uneducated people might cop a plea in a situation in which they were innocent. But a senator? No way.


64 posted on 09/04/2007 8:43:16 PM PDT by Old_Mil (Rudy = Hillary, Fred = Dole, Romney = Kerry, McCain = Crazy. No Thanks.)
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To: org.whodat

um no, but you are using the facility how it was intended to be used. when you walk into a public restroom, you expect that kind of stuff. not gay sex cruising.


65 posted on 09/04/2007 8:43:38 PM PDT by thefactor
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To: brytlea
In what part of the Universe is foot tapping sex? I’m sorry, I must have missed that biology lesson.

Reminds me of the discussion between Jules and Vincent about whether or not a foot massage is sexual or not in Pulp Fiction.

66 posted on 09/04/2007 8:43:50 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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Ben is in favor of raising taxes, too...I think he’s lived in Malibu for too long.


67 posted on 09/04/2007 8:44:03 PM PDT by clintonh8r
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To: kinghorse

So, then you suppose I am gay?
Hard to take you very seriously. I really thought that sort of name calling was reserved for the Dems.

susie


68 posted on 09/04/2007 8:44:42 PM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast

Perhaps the real outrage is that US Senators can’t behave themselves any better than this.


69 posted on 09/04/2007 8:46:47 PM PDT by Jaysun (It's outlandishly inappropriate to suggest that I'm wrong.)
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To: claudiustg

I have seen no one suggest here that we should tolerate actual sex in public places. I daresay everyone here would say that should be an is illegal. But, to protect our own rights, we probably need a higher bar than was put up in this particular case.
susie


70 posted on 09/04/2007 8:46:57 PM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: snarks_when_bored
I guess I don’t see much of an analogy between McCarthyism and police undercover sting operations targeting solicitation of lewd behavior in a public restroom.

There isn't any analogy. It's an example of how someone can be guilty as hell, but still the public nevertheless believes the tactics used to expose that guilty-as-hell person are unacceptable.

71 posted on 09/04/2007 8:47:50 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: peteram

I’m fairly certain that the Minneapolis ordinances against solicitation of lewd behavior in a public place cover the sort of sting operation that Sgt. Krasnia was involved with. A restroom is a place where, for example, minors go; it must be possible to prevent predators from preying on minors and others there even if offers of money for sex don’t take place.


72 posted on 09/04/2007 8:48:25 PM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: brytlea
Perhaps you should bring your own porta potty! ;) susie,

I'm sure that if I did someone on this thread would accuse me of been limp wristed. LOL

73 posted on 09/04/2007 8:48:55 PM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: Salvation
...was Larry Criag even read his Miranda Rights?

Yes, he was.

74 posted on 09/04/2007 8:49:09 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Don't question faith. Don't answer lies.)
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast

Amen to Ben!


75 posted on 09/04/2007 8:49:13 PM PDT by zerosix
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To: TNCMAXQ

I am no defender of Vick’s behavior, but as I have been saying on other posts the man’s dogs are his property and livestock. I’ve been hearing people for whom I have a high regard call Vick’s actions murder. Animals are killed and slaughtered. Humans are murdered. As for Craig, I sense he sought the quietest route and if that path of least resistance was to quietly plead out, then so be it. These cops could well have targeted a sitting US senator a la the GDR Stasi or KGB. In the sixties some “dropped out”. Today, good people are fleeing the public schools, their home towns, the television, newspapers, etc. In other words, good people are dropping out because they fear. And fear is the result of living with totalitarianism.


76 posted on 09/04/2007 8:49:20 PM PDT by HockeyPop
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To: Old_Mil

You hit on something interesting, Old Mil -

Let’s say for the sake of argument that Craig is gay. And he knew that that particular Men’s room was the place where he could go and possibly meet someone who is, shall we say - like-minded. Now, is it solicitation if two “like-minded” men meet up to exchange numbers and plan to exhibit their “like-mindedness” to each other in a more private place at a later time? Or is that just a conversation? Or is it really solicitation if one were to profit financially from it?

As Mr. Stein pointed out, it is not illegal to be gay in the U.S. (repugnant maybe, but not illegal). So then, where is the crime?


77 posted on 09/04/2007 8:49:29 PM PDT by peteram (Liberals are just Stupid!)
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To: peteram

-—Nothing in the law books that says two people cannot get together no matter what form of communication they use. -—

So you won’t mind if someone comes up to you in the head and says he wants a blow job? How about 3 or 4 or 5? No law against verbal or non-verbal communication; I believe that’s what you said. And if it’s OK in the head, I guess it’s OK in a restaurant or bus or plane or any other damned place the perv feels the urge.


78 posted on 09/04/2007 8:50:15 PM PDT by claudiustg (You know it. I know it.)
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To: snarks_when_bored

There was no minor involved.
susie


79 posted on 09/04/2007 8:50:17 PM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: org.whodat

Oh, undoubtedly!
susie


80 posted on 09/04/2007 8:50:47 PM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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