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Companies Try to Retain Older Workers
LA Times ^ | 9-3-07 | Jonoathon Peterson

Posted on 09/03/2007 11:07:38 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic

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To: Cogadh na Sith

Saying “hopefully they won’t live much longer” is a FACT?


181 posted on 09/03/2007 2:11:53 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Of the potential GOP front runners, FT has one of the better records on immigration.- NumbersUSA)
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To: RC2
I told my boss that I could out work anybody he was interviewing for a position that I wanted.

Yes because a position opened up! Do you know how rare that is now?

And the trend in engineering is to recruit older managers from outside the company. So being loyal to a company means not getting promoted.

Sure, you can blame me all you want, but it's a different world now, and you are unable to realize that.

182 posted on 09/03/2007 2:14:56 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (Gen X: I'll be the 'Junior Guy' until I'm 70.)
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To: Cogadh na Sith

Geeezzz bud........you have totally given up haven’t you? It’s not that different today. People move around, change jobs and companies.

The trend is towards older managers? You think there’s a reason for this? Companies don’t do things like that without a reason.


183 posted on 09/03/2007 2:18:06 PM PDT by RC2
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To: Politicalmom
Saying “hopefully they won’t live much longer” is a FACT?

Yes it is a fact: if they won't retire, I hope they don't live much longer so that the people below them get promoted. So we can enjoy some of the American dream....

Don't you think it is weird that we consider guys in their 40s "younger workers". Isn't that against nature?

184 posted on 09/03/2007 2:22:42 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (Gen X: I'll be the 'Junior Guy' until I'm 70.)
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To: Cogadh na Sith

One thing you may want to think about. Maybe your company doesn’t believe you are qualified for management. Not everyone can fit into that mold. Knowing your job is one thing, managing others is totally different.


185 posted on 09/03/2007 2:23:09 PM PDT by RC2
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To: RC2
The trend is towards older managers? You think there’s a reason for this? Companies don’t do things like that without a reason.

Yes, because there are so many of them now and they don't retire, like in the article.

What message does that send the "younger workers"?

You never answered me: Don't you think it is odd that we call guys in their 40s "younger workers" now?

186 posted on 09/03/2007 2:24:38 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (Gen X: I'll be the 'Junior Guy' until I'm 70.)
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To: RC2
Maybe your company doesn’t believe you are qualified for management. Not everyone can fit into that mold. Knowing your job is one thing, managing others is totally different.

No, they didn't interview anyone in the company for the position, even a "younger worker" who was their longer than I was. Boy was he pissed, but the company has some big defense contracts now, so he stayed too....

The Army thought I was qualified for management when they promoted me to Captain, but people are forcibly retired out of the army to make room for younger guys.

Engineering is a Geriocracy.

187 posted on 09/03/2007 2:27:54 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (Gen X: I'll be the 'Junior Guy' until I'm 70.)
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To: Cogadh na Sith

Why would I think it’s odd????? Would you rather work for a 20 year old that didn’t know anything or some one older that you could learn from? 40 isn’t old, it’s a lot younger than I am. I would love to be 40 again. I got my first management job in engineering when I was 26. It was hard because I had older people working for me. I treated everyone the same and used the older peoples experience to help me develop my department. Also remember, if the older people weren’t good at what they did, they wouldn’t be there.


188 posted on 09/03/2007 2:29:36 PM PDT by RC2
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To: Cogadh na Sith

My advice to you is get out of engineering and do something that gives you more pleasure......or resign yourself to the fact that you may never get promoted. I wouldn’t do that, but it seems you’ve made up your mind that you’re stuck where you are. Go to work in the grocery industry, drive a truck.....anything that gives you pleasure.

We have a relative that is a full Col in the Rangers. He will never see a battle command again. The younger guys can move faster and think faster..........so what’s the big deal? Just life.


189 posted on 09/03/2007 2:35:35 PM PDT by RC2
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To: Cogadh na Sith

Allright, I HAVE HAD ENOUGH.

Stop your dang whining, and go find a job you like.

Complaining that I stole it, because I am four years older, is crap.


190 posted on 09/03/2007 2:38:26 PM PDT by patton (Congress would lose money running a brothel.)
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To: patton

I knew it, I knew it. Good ole George Patton is still alive. Good to have you back General. Now.......go kick some ass.


191 posted on 09/03/2007 2:39:46 PM PDT by RC2
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To: afraidfortherepublic
An engineer with a security clearance can make well into six figures in Northern VA because of the application backlog. Created by 9/11 ?


BUMP

192 posted on 09/03/2007 2:41:50 PM PDT by capitalist229 (ANDS)
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To: stylin19a

dinosaurs rule.

Maybe—if you don’t mind maintaining legacy code (which is what I assume you’re doing). All the young kids want to do Java, C#, ASP.Net, & web services. COBOL is so 1960s. Never worked with Tandem (sounds like it was invented by Radio Shack).


193 posted on 09/03/2007 2:44:02 PM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: Cogadh na Sith

Reminds me of the young man who was applying for a job at our facility, Jeans with a hole in the knee ( Latest style I’m told), Long messy hair, T-Shirt with cut off sleeves and flip flops for shoes.

Seems he was some sort of sports star at his school but his grades were not good enough for higher education.

He was telling the interviewer what his conditions were if he was going to work here.

Never saw his face again.


194 posted on 09/03/2007 2:45:02 PM PDT by chiefqc
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To: afraidfortherepublic

This thread is further proof that you’re all cracker geezers here! I’m outta here....


195 posted on 09/03/2007 2:46:52 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (We all need someone we can bleed on...)
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To: RC2
40 isn’t old, it’s a lot younger than I am. I would love to be 40 again. I got my first management job in engineering when I was 26.

Thank you for making my point. No wonder it takes two incomes now to support a family.

196 posted on 09/03/2007 2:56:13 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (Gen X: I'll be the 'Junior Guy' until I'm 70.)
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To: patton
Stop your dang whining, and go find a job you like. Complaining that I stole it, because I am four years older, is crap.

I'm not. You're 44--you're still a "junior worker" and will be until you are 70.

You don't see anything wrong with that?

197 posted on 09/03/2007 2:57:58 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (Gen X: I'll be the 'Junior Guy' until I'm 70.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
When management by fad views employees as commodity expenses rather than as valued assets, then only government civil servants protected by unions have any hope of a long term career. The rest of us are disposable. And as the class of government protected class workers increases, so does socialism. The predatory capitalist and the socialist have a symbiotic relationship with each other and a parasitic relationship to the working middle class that they both exploit.
198 posted on 09/03/2007 2:59:54 PM PDT by anymouse
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To: chiefqc
Reminds me of the young man who was applying for a job at our facility, Jeans with a hole in the knee ( Latest style I’m told), Long messy hair, T-Shirt with cut off sleeves and flip flops for shoes.

Yeah, 'Cuz as a former Army Officer with a clearance and a BSEE I was just like that guy....

Sheesh....

199 posted on 09/03/2007 3:00:42 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (Gen X: I'll be the 'Junior Guy' until I'm 70.)
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To: Cogadh na Sith

I don’t know how to answer. As a junior worker, I am doing allright.


200 posted on 09/03/2007 3:01:32 PM PDT by patton (Congress would lose money running a brothel.)
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