Posted on 09/03/2007 11:07:38 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
Every time John Remore steps up to his workstation to form a piece of sheet metal, he brings an intangible asset to the job: 42 years of experience, dating to lessons from his father.
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We used to call that the “tube puller” mentality.
Then why are beefing about how bad younger workers are?
And don't you think it is just loopy that anyone under 40 is a "Younger Worker"?
Ah! but I can still HIRE older workers that still want to work, and I look for them every chance I get. Older workers and military vets are gold, in my book.
Just pointing out that mechanics are generally what you want and that mechanic pay has generally gotten worse as the dealers monopolize more and more of the repair work (OBDII extensions that no one but them can read, specialized tools etc). Every senior mechanic I know would be glad to find a better job and are sick of seeing the guy that low balls the repair (and hence their hours) earning more then they do.
You'd be surprise just how little a dealership mechanic with all certs makes. (Kid bro is Honda Gold certified + 20 years. Makes less then I did right out of school.)
You better get off the booze for awhile. I never said young workers were bad. One of the other posters was saying he had a hard time finding good ones.
That is a good suggestion. I’ll sure think about it the next time there is an opening.
I never take my vehicles to a dealer unless I have to. I have an independent mechanic shop in our area that I have used for years. He has very little turn over and great mechanics and he pays them very well. I trust him to the extent that I have told him if he finds anything wrong, other than what I brought the truck in for, just fix it.
What an incredibly horrible and selfish attitude. Just wait until someone hopes YOU don’t live much longer.
Oh, I’m not a boomer, either.
Previously, RC2 said: Older employees are more reliable, more dedicated to the company and are worth their weight in gold if treated half way decent.
And why do you need to insult me?
Really, don't you think it's loopy that the "younger workers" are in their 40s?
That really sums up the problem of business in America. So many people complain about illegal aliens, but then support outsourcing as free enterprise. Outsourcing foreign labor and hiring illegal aliens are opposite sides of the same coin.”
Bingo - you hit the nail on the head... also upper level managers and presidents typically care about how it effects their stocks and wallets. They don’t spend the money to build the capability, or offer the compensation to the worker that brings the value to the company... So crazy CEO compensation, lack of forethought, bad schooling, cronies, etc are going to take the toll on big businesses.
I simply stated a fact: There are no promotions or advancements in my field in defense engineering until the boomers start dying or retiring. According to this article, they aren't retiring.
I'll be the Junior Guy until I'm 70.
So I did, so I did. But I didn’t say younger workers weren’t any good. Us older folks were raised with much different work ethics than the younger ones. I had a 19 year old secretary one time. After six months she felt she could run the company much better than we did. We had a talk and gave me two weeks notice. I just told her she could go right now. People don’t have the patience to learn any more. They want the top seat without putting in the time.
“I’ll be the Junior Guy until I’m 70.”
Amen..... but I ain’t staying that long. Kinda sucks being on the end of the boomer generation
So what you are saying is that it’s more beneficial to you in your career for the older people to die? If you don’t like the situation, leave and go get another job. Don’t blame the people around you for your lack of ability to advance.
You're companies would eventually consider you a 'permanent employee as well. I was laid off 4 times when defense contracts were cancelled in the 90s--I have no loyalty to any company and they have none to me.
People don’t have the patience to learn any more. They want the top seat without putting in the time.
But there was also the expectation that by putting in the time, you have a shot at the top seat. That is no longer true.
I will agree with you if all you are doing is “putting in your time”. It’s a competitive world out there. Just about always has been. Be the best at what you do, be willing to take on anyone and prove how good you are. Put in more that just your time. Become an asset to the company rather than just doing what you are told. Again, if you don’t like the situation, get out.
My thirteen year old son is talking about getting into game designing.
Are you knowledgeable about this? Any tips for the kid? :)
Yes, of course, but you can't fight the numbers--companies would rather retain older workers than promote the "younger guys" into their positions.
So you can be the best and still end up waiting around for someone to die to get a promotion.
It's a different world than the one you came up in--people used to retire and people got promoted then....
I retired early in the face of solid age discrimination. But how can they outsource warehouse work?
Sounds to me like you have your mind made up that you aren’t ever going to get promoted? If that’s true, you are probably correct and you, most likely, have others believing the same thing. I forced a promotion for myself one time. I told my boss that I could out work anybody he was interviewing for a position that I wanted. Also told him if I didn’t get the promotion, he would have another seat to fill. I had convidence in my abilities and worked my butt off to get where I was. I was also dam good at what I did and loved competition.........many people don’t.
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