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FReeper Canteen ~ Hall of Heroes: Robin Olds ~ 03 September 07
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Posted on 09/02/2007 4:00:59 PM PDT by Kathy in Alaska

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Robin Olds
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During the last months of 1966 the MiG-21s of the VPAF (deployed in the 921st Fighter Regiment) became very active and succesfully intercepting the F-105 formations of the USAF. According to their own claims, the 921st FR shot down nine Thunderchiefs in December 1966; particularly, the MiG-21 pilots claimed two F-105s on December 5, and three more on December 14.

Note: The F-105 downed on December 8 1966 is very interesting, because it is mentioned in several documents sent by VPAF to the Soviet VVS at that time. But it is not officially claimed as a VPAF air-to-air kill in recent sources, including Toperczer’s book. Additionally, in recent times, the Russian VVS admitted that Soviet advisors in Vietnam were authorized to engage US planes as part of the training process or as temporary replacements for Vietnamese pilots wounded or killed. One of them, Sr. Lt. Vadim Petrovich Shchbakov, was credited with 6 kills during 1966. Despite the lack of accurate info about his victories, it is likely that the December 8 1966 F-105 kill should be credited to him. His victim was the F-105D BuNo 591820, piloted by Donald Asire (KIA).

Setting aside how many of the VPAF claims are admitted by USAF, certainly the number of American planes lost to the MiGs worried the US, because the Air Force decided to make an important effort to neutralize the MiG threat: the effort known as Operation “Bolo”.

The idea and planning of this operation was the masterpiece of a living legend among the US F-4 pilots in South East Asia: Colonel Robin Olds. He was a P-38/P-51 Ace during WWII, credited with 12 kills against the German Luftwaffe in 1944-45, and now – at 44 years old - he was the CO of the 8th TFW (nicknamed “The Wolf Pack”). He was an “old-fashioned” fighter pilot: impulsive, rough, hard-drinking, but a natural leader and an intuitive tactician.

He realized that the F-105 and F-4 formations used the same approaches time after time, and the SIGINT analysts in Hanoi became expert in identifying the more vulnerable F-105 "Thuds" from the F-4 Phantoms, from their radio frequencies and call signs. So Olds decided to fly a large F-4 formation using the same routes, altitude, and callsigns as the F-105s, hoping that the MiG-21s would be guided towards them, expecting to find Thunderchiefs, and when they realized the truth, it would be too late for them.

There are no recorded aerial combat losses from USAF on those days, but its records of POW/MIA/KIA show at least one F-105 lost in each December 5 and December 8.

 

“Bolo” begins

The D-Day of “Bolo” was January 2 1967. In the first hours of the evening 14 flights of F-4C Phantom of the 8th TFW (4 aircraft each) took off from Ubon RTAFB in Thailand towards the VPAF airfields around Hanoi, pretending to be F-105s. An eastern force of 366th TFW F-4s covered the possible MiG withdrawal routes. Olds commanded the first flight. The assigned call signs derived from American cars of the period: "Ford," "Rambler," and (inevitably) "Olds," for the CO's flight. Despite his long combat experience, he most likely thought: “Would they take the bait?”.

 

Colonel Robin Olds, CO of the 8th TFW, mastermind behind Operation “Bolo”
He was also an outstanding fighter pilot: on the first day of the operation (January 2 1967) he personally shot down one MiG-21 with two AIM-9s while flying an F-4C Phantom. During Vietnam he was credited with 4 kills, only one kill short of becoming a “Double Ace.” He already was a WWII Ace with 12 victories.

The doubts soon disapeared, because the of the MiG-21 pilotss seemed paralyzed when they realized that they were not engaging F-105s, but F-4s. The first kill of that day was scored by “Olds 02” -1st Lt. Ralph Wetterhahn- followed seconds later by Captain Walter Radeker, who claimed another MiG-21. Initially Colonel Olds was not so lucky, as his own account shows:

“The battle started when the MiGs began to get out of the cloud cover. Unfortunately for me, the first one appeared in my ‘six o’clock’. I think it was more a accident than a planned tactic. As a matter of fact, in the next few minutes other many MiGs started to exit from the clouds from different positions.

I was lucky. The flight behind me saw the MiG and tried to divert its attention. I broke to the left, sharply enough to get away of his line of fire, hoping that my wingman would take care of him. Meanwhile another MiG came out of the clouds, turning widely about my ’11 o’clock’ at a distance of 2,000 yards. He went into the clouds again and I tried to follow.”

Olds fired two Sparrows and one Sidewinder at this MiG, but the enemy pilot showed his quality, avoiding all three missiles, entering the clouds, and escaping “Wolf Pack” leader. Until that moment, Luck was not entirely at his side, he was under attack from a MiG-21, and one of his possible victims eluded him. But that would change soon:

A third enemy plane appeared in my ‘10 o’clock’, from the left to the right: in simple words, almost in the opposite direction. The first MiG zoomed away and I engaged the afterburner to get in an attack position against this new enemy. I reared up my aircraft in a 45 degree angle, inside his turn. He was turning to the left, so I pulled the stick and barrel-rolled to the right.

Thanks to this maneuver, I found myself above him, half upside down. I held it until the MiG finished his turn, calculating the time so that, if I could keep on turning behind him, I would get on his tail, with a deflection angle of 20 degrees, at a distance of 1,500 yards. That was exactly what happened. He never saw me. Behind and lower than him, I could clearly see his silhoutte against the sun when I launched two Sidewinders. One of them impacted and tore apart his right wing.”

In a few minutes, the pilots of the “Olds” flight claimed to have shot down three MiG-21s without suffering any losses of their own. As they started to withdraw from the aerial battlefield, the first round ended with a clear American victory, and the second one would begin soon.

 

The “Ford” flight arrives

The next flight – callsign “Ford” - arrived in the area and also engaged the MiG-21s. The flight’s leader, Colonel Chappie James, did not score any kills, but he witnessed the victory of Captain Everett T. Raspberry. The following is his account of the engagement:

“At 15:04 my flight was attacked by three MiGs, two from the ‘10 o´clock’  and one from the ´6 o’clock´. Initially I didn’t see this last one because I had been concentrating on those approaching head-on. My RIO excitedly warned me about this rapidly approaching MiG, which was within firing range of my #3 and #4. I hesitated a while before interrupting my attack against the two MiGs in front, because I had seen the ‘Olds’ flight passing below us a few seconds before. I thought that the plane seen by my RIO could be one of them. Despite that, I suddenly turned left and then right, and caught sight of the third MiG. I ordered to my numbers 3 and 4 to break right. As they did so, the MiG broke left for some mysterious reason and for a split second we were side by side. We were so close that, besides the red stars in his wings, I could clearly see the pilot’s face.

I began an horizontal barrel roll to get away from him and into an attack position, Once in position, I launched a Sidewinder. The missile missed because the evading MiG broke left at full throttle. But when he did it, he put himself in the line of fire of my number 2, Captain Everett T. Raspberry. I ordered him to follow the prey, because the two aircraft that I initially saw had been placed in my forward sector. I was in an advantageous position, so I fired two AIM-9s against them in a quick sequence, and I turned to place myself as wingman of my #2, Captain Raspberry.

[…] I kept on descending besides Captain Raspberry and I remember that I thought that he was still out of the optimal launching envelope. But he performed a barrel roll that placed himself in a perfect position again and he launched an AIM-9 which hit against the tail section of the MiG-21. It was shaken violently and later fell in a slow, almost plane spin.”

Even when the “Ford” flight scored only one kill, again there were no US losses in air combat, and the score of the day was 4:0 up to that moment. Everything was ready for the third round of the fight.

 

Last Round

The “Rambler” flight also found several MiGs in the area. The leader, Captain John B. Stone, saw two MiG-21s ahead and below, and dived towards them, destroying one MiG with two AIM-7 Sparrows. Almost immediately after scoring that kill, Stone was attacked by a third MiG-21, but in a joint maneuver with “Rambler 02” he put the MiG in line of fire of Philip P. Combies (“Rambler 04”). He saw the battle in this way:

“We flew at 13,440 feet (4,800 meters) above sea level and our speed was 540 knots. A little bit after completing a turn to the northwest, we identified a patrol of four MiG-21s in spread formation at a distance of 5 miles –about 8 kms- at ‘2 o´clock’ and below than us. Two more MiGs appeared 2 miles –about 3 kms- behind.

. . . When the MiGs crossed in front of Stone, he started to follow, breaking left and losing height. Due to that, the flight spread wide to the right, and I found myself higher and somewhat to the right than the others. I kept the throttle to the minimum during the first phase of the combat. So, the MiGs broke to the left, and the engagement began.

I choose one of the MiGs and followed him with my radar. I  don't think that we ever exceeded 4 g during the whole engagement. I decided to follow the Navy pilots' tactics - at close range foregoing the radar tracking, but looking thru the reticle instead. When I realized that I was in the right position, I pushed the fire button, released it, pushed it again, and waited. I did not even see the first Sparrow.

However, I followed the entire trajectory of the second one, from launch to impact.  I fired the missiles at less than 2,000 yards from the MiG’s tail, height 9,800 feet (3,500 meters) and turning to the left. The second one hit the tail section of the enemy aircraft. A second later I saw a huge, orange ball of fire.”

Seconds later, another MiG-21 crossed the line of fire of the F-4C Phantom “Rambler 02” and was apparently destroyed by a Sparrow fired by its pilot, Lawrence Glynn, This, the third MiG-21 downed by “Rambler” flight, raised the final score of the day to 7:0 in favor of the American pilots. Certainly the Operation “Bolo” had a successful beginning. The Table #1 summarize the American claims of the day:

American Claims on January 2 1967.

UNIT

aircraft

pilot

rio

weapon

victim

555 TFS, 8 TFW

F-4C

R. Wetterhahn

J.Sharp

AIM-7

MiG-21

555 TFS, 8 TFW

F-4C

W. Radeker II

J. Murray III

AIM-9

MiG-21

555 TFS, 8 TFW

F-4C

R. Olds

C. Clifton

AIM-9

MiG-21

555 TFS, 8 TFW

F-4C

E. Raspberry

R. Western

AIM-9

MiG-21

433 TFS, 8 TFW

F-4C

P. Combies

L. Dutton

AIM-7

MiG-21

433 TFS, 8 TFW

F-4C

J. Stone

C. Dunnegan

AIM-7

MiG-21

433 TFS, 8 TFW

F-4C

L. Glynn Jr.

L. Cary

AIM-7

MiG-21

 

However, it must be noted that not all the American claims are officially confirmed by Vietnamese sources; the VPAF admits five MiG-21s lost that day, plus a sixth one whose pilot was forced to eject when he ran out of fuel. (The reason is not mentioned by VPAF sources, but it is likely that this could be combat damage caused by a US air-to-air missile hitting the MiG's fuel tank.) But even those sources admit that the Americans clearly won the air combat that day.

The magnitude of the Vietnamese defeat can be seen by the fact that, excluding another air battle on January 6 (when two more MiG-21s were downed by F-4Cs of the 555th TFS of the 8th TFW) the MiGs did not even try to engage US fighters and fighter-bombers during January, February and the first half of March 1967.

 

 Robin Olds with pylon-mounted Sidewinder missileA never-ending battle

But in spite of the great victory obtained by USAF that day, it didn't win the war. The VPAF was an evolving force that learned from its mistakes, and it turned back to the fight again and again, sometimes with a high degree of success, as the USAF losses in air combat in the months of April, May, August, and November 1967 clearly show. The aerial combat against the USAF during the whole year, the MiGs downed at least 32 aircraft (among them 16 F-105D/Fs, 2 RF-101Cs and one A-1E), plus 8 more belonging to the US Navy.

The F-4C/D Phantoms of the 8th and 366th TFW continued a running battle against the MiGs in an attempt to keep them away from the F-105s, sometimes with their own successes: 36 out of the 59 MiGs claimed by the USAF in 1967 were obtained by Phantom pilots, 23 of them scored by the pilots of “The Wolf Pack” (all the remaining 23 were claimed by Thunderchief pilots of the 355th and 388th TFW), but there was a price to pay: at least 13 F-4C/Ds were shot down by the VPAF MiGs that year. It has never been established how many of those USAF claims were actual North Vietnamese losses, but most likely a great percentage (about 70%) will be ultimately confirmed. It is also clear that if “Bolo” hadn’t been executed, the USAF losses to the MiGs would have been higher. The USAF would have to wait until 1972 to obtain a similar success.

 

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To: Tanniker Smith

Annyonghaseyo! TS!


401 posted on 09/03/2007 10:00:43 AM PDT by Tamar1973 (Riding the Korean Wave, one BYJ movie at a time! (http://www.byj.co.kr))
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To: Arrowhead1952

Too late. I already ate the biscuits.

It’s 80 here but the air is fairly dry.


402 posted on 09/03/2007 10:01:14 AM PDT by Lady Jag (The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself.)
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To: Lady Jag; All

Happy Labor Day Ya’ALL!!!

Thanks to all who have served and continue to do so!!


403 posted on 09/03/2007 10:39:25 AM PDT by duck duck goose (Proud daughter of a retired Air Force CMSGT.)
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To: Allegra
WooHoo!!! Allegra had a great, cool, green vacation! Stay cool as best you can. Yikes! It's still above 100 10:30 at night.



404 posted on 09/03/2007 11:52:54 AM PDT by Kathy in Alaska (~ RIP Brian...heaven's gain...the Coast Guard lost a good one.~)
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To: sneakers

Thanks, Nate, for your service to our country.
And thanks to you too, sneakers, Proud Navy Mom.


405 posted on 09/03/2007 12:16:07 PM PDT by Kathy in Alaska (~ RIP Brian...heaven's gain...the Coast Guard lost a good one.~)
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To: Kathy in Alaska
StarCMC did a great job on today’s Robin Olds thread. He is truly a hero.

Kathy!If you would send along a message to StarCMC thanking him for the great job he did with thread for Brig.Gen. Robin Olds.

406 posted on 09/03/2007 12:32:16 PM PDT by puppypusher (The world is going to the dogs.)
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To: puppypusher; StarCMC

Hi puppypusher....I’ll ping her to your thanks. She puts together all the Monday threads about our military heroes. I just post them for her if she is off doing exciting things with her family.


407 posted on 09/03/2007 12:51:18 PM PDT by Kathy in Alaska (~ RIP Brian...heaven's gain...the Coast Guard lost a good one.~)
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To: TASMANIANRED; mylife
Was a generator on a house boat...

What's enfuriating is that there is no excuse for that. Houseboat manufacturers have known about this problem for years; I watched exposes on TV two years ago and have read about the problem in my local newspaper several times since.

We have CO poisoning cases from houseboats on the Colorado River lakes every year - just no excuse...

408 posted on 09/03/2007 1:09:04 PM PDT by HiJinx (Learn to take as a measure of success the criticism of your enemies. RL.)
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To: duck duck goose



FOR A DAY OF LESS
DUCKING AND GOOSING



409 posted on 09/03/2007 1:09:49 PM PDT by Lady Jag (The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself.)
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To: Kathy in Alaska; Allegra
Yikes! It's still above 100 10:30 at night.

We had that problem in Phoenix Friday night. 109 at 2230 hrs. They're running up a record for most consecutive 3-digit days. They're at 32 or 33 in a row now.

Another reason I'm glad we live down here at 5000'!!!

410 posted on 09/03/2007 1:14:14 PM PDT by HiJinx (Learn to take as a measure of success the criticism of your enemies. RL.)
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To: HiJinx

Unless They were sleeping they had to have an indication.

Been there done that, on a submarine.
One oxygen generator was dead and one CO2 scrubber was dead.
We were burning oxygen candles to supplement the oxygen levels but the CO2 just builds up and the ratio wasn’t correct.

You get groggy, and you have a nasty headache 24/7, cigarettes will not stay lit.

I think I lost some brain cells on that ride.


411 posted on 09/03/2007 1:16:10 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: HiJinx; Allegra; Kathy in Alaska

Julies used to that. Its often 100 here in Tx at 2 am in aug.

Amazing, its only 86 here right now. This is the mildest summer I have ever witnessed in Tx.

Seems the monsoon flow has shifted east this year, much to our benefit and to the detriment of Az


412 posted on 09/03/2007 1:23:39 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: HiJinx

Geez. I couldn’t imagine it. Low-to-mid 90s (with high humidity, granted) was more than enough in Florida last week. That, and all the rain were more than enough for us.


413 posted on 09/03/2007 1:26:12 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a Liberal when I married her.)
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To: HiJinx
They're running up a record for most consecutive 3-digit days. They're at 32 or 33 in a row now.

Thats miserable.

I have seen over a month of consecutive 100+ temps in Tx. The great thing about 5000= ft is that it gets cool at night.

When it stays hot all night and all day, things get rough. No relief.

I am having second thoughts on India due to this. My friend from the steamy jungles of Vietnam says... "India? to damn hot"

Not bad now but the monsoon is in full swing

414 posted on 09/03/2007 1:36:58 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: HiJinx
LoL

Interesting.. The weather in Goa India is mirroring Tx

415 posted on 09/03/2007 1:41:26 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: HiJinx

I’ve been keeping a weather eye out on The Weather Channel...Phoenix was prominent on every report!


416 posted on 09/03/2007 1:48:21 PM PDT by Kathy in Alaska (~ RIP Brian...heaven's gain...the Coast Guard lost a good one.~)
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To: AmericanInfidel0; vigilante2; rightwingbias

Thank you, Kevin, for your service to our country.
Prayers for your safety and success of mission.


417 posted on 09/03/2007 1:55:08 PM PDT by Kathy in Alaska (~ RIP Brian...heaven's gain...the Coast Guard lost a good one.~)
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To: E.G.C.

Good for Chuck!

Hope you get SOME rain...no flooding.


418 posted on 09/03/2007 1:57:09 PM PDT by Kathy in Alaska (~ RIP Brian...heaven's gain...the Coast Guard lost a good one.~)
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To: Kathy in Alaska

B U M P


419 posted on 09/03/2007 2:18:25 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: Kathy in Alaska

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070831-N-1810F-001 CARIBBEAN SEA (Aug. 31, 2007) - Ships from the United States and other nations take part in a photo exercise off the coast of Panama during PANAMAX 2007. Civil and military forces from 19 countries are participating in PANAMAX, a U.S. Southern Command joint and multi-national training exercise co-sponsored with the government of Panama, in the waters off the coasts of Panama and Honduras. U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class Todd Frantom (RELEASED)


070830-N-6854D-008 NORFOLK, Va. (Aug. 30, 2007) - USS George Washington (CVN 73) moves into Naval Station Norfolk after completing sea trials. The Nimitz-class aircraft carrier returned to Naval Station Norfolk after four days of sea trials in the Atlantic Ocean and completing an 11-month, $300 million planned incremental availability. U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist Seaman Apprentice Jon Dasbach (RELEASED)


070824-F-0000B-002 GULF OF MEXICO (Aug. 24, 2007) - A B-52H Stratofortress from 2nd Bomb Wing flies over Military Sealift Command maritime prepositioning ship 2nd LT John P. Bobo during a maritime intercept training mission. U.S. Air Force photo by Lt. Col. Ricardo J. Beruvides (RELEASED)

420 posted on 09/03/2007 2:41:57 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Sharpei diem -- Seize the wrinkled dog.)
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