To: Clear Rivers
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The last thing any of them wants to do is tie their morals or values regarding the war directly to Christianity, because then the debate turns into one of Christianity versus Islam, Olson said."
Like that's a bad thing.
2 posted on
09/02/2007 5:13:14 AM PDT by
BipolarBob
(Yes I backed over the vampire, but I swear I didn't see it in my rear view mirror.)
To: Clear Rivers
More bias, word for word, than even the NYT dares to print. And though he can’t spell Adolf, he attempts to bring a historical perspective (with a selection of comments, as if quotation marks are magic talismans against any suspicion of bias).
To: Clear Rivers
If we are to qoute the Bible to justify war, let us fight the war as it is ordered to be fought in the Bible. Why did God fire Saul and hire David? Because Saul, like George Bush, pussy footed around instead of killing all.
Close the borders and fight to win, that is the candidate I will support.
To: Clear Rivers
Oh, now it’s evil for Western Civilization to defend itself. Not PC. (Pardon me while I throw up in the waste basket.)
8 posted on
09/02/2007 6:28:20 AM PDT by
hershey
To: Clear Rivers
Romans 13:3,4 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
For he (a ruler or government) is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to [execute] wrath upon him that doeth evil.
Looks pretty clear to me that the Apostle Paul, who was clearly led by God, believed that rulers/governments had a duty to punish evil and protect good.
Now, I don't personally believe that every Christian is led by God to join the Military, but being willing to be a part of the "sword" of government to punish the "evil doers" is being a "minister of God."
Sincerely
To: Clear Rivers
"The same Bible that says 'thou shall not kill' is filled with references to war," Huckabee said. "It's never an ideal. It always should be the last resort. But I don't think anybody would deny that war was a necessary action to stop Adolph Hitler, to stop the invasion of Japan in the United States, and to stop many evils that have happened throughout history. It's not something that you take lightly or enter into with a cavalier spirit, but sometimes it is the only way to put aside an evil that is determined to destroy others." I do not like war anymore than anyone else. However, this commandment Huckabee uses is specific to premeditated homicide.... laying in wait .... with 'evil' intent.... say like rape.... robbery... etc.
The facts regarding this particular war, that the leftist keep trying to recreate into their last war they pulled the plug, was started by these global terrorists premeditated killers. It is a national duty Biblically speaking to defend and protect civilizations against the viral spreading of premeditated killers whether said virus is called a religion or by some other name.
Wonder does the Bible say anything about waring in say Iraq and neighborhoods...
To: Clear Rivers
I am from Muhlenberg County Kentucky, which is named after Gen. Peter Muhlenberg, seen here in this statue inside the U.S. Capitol!
Peter Muhlenberg Statue
U.S. Capitol
"In January of 1776, Muhlenberg sent word for his congregation to gather for his farewell sermon. Ascending his familiar pulpit, he preached from Ecclesiastes 3:1-8. The sermon glowed throughout with devoted patriotism as the man of God told his people of his own resolve to fight and, if need be, to die for his country. He closed his message with these words: "In the language of holy writ, there is a time for all things, a time to preach and a time to pray, but the time for me to preach has passed away." Then in a voice that re-echoed through the church like a trumpet blast, he exclaimed, "And there is also a time to fight, and that time has now come." After pronouncing the benediction,
Muhlenberg threw off his clerical gown and stood before his people in full military uniform. Stepping down the aisle, he ordered the drums at the door to beat for new recruits. The whole village gathered at the church to learn what strange event had turned a quiet church meeting into a scene of bustle and excitement."
Christians should be interested in winning souls for Christ but also preserving our heritage and the political environment that many of our forefathers fought and died for so that our religious institutions could flourish.
28 posted on
09/02/2007 5:13:25 PM PDT by
DocRock
(All they that take the sword shall perish with the sword. Matthew 26:52 ... Go ahead, look it up!)
To: Clear Rivers
I am from Muhlenberg County Kentucky, which is named after Gen. Peter Muhlenberg, seen here in this statue inside the U.S. Capitol!
Peter Muhlenberg Statue
U.S. Capitol
"In January of 1776, Muhlenberg sent word for his congregation to gather for his farewell sermon. Ascending his familiar pulpit, he preached from Ecclesiastes 3:1-8. The sermon glowed throughout with devoted patriotism as the man of God told his people of his own resolve to fight and, if need be, to die for his country. He closed his message with these words: "In the language of holy writ, there is a time for all things, a time to preach and a time to pray, but the time for me to preach has passed away." Then in a voice that re-echoed through the church like a trumpet blast, he exclaimed, "And there is also a time to fight, and that time has now come." After pronouncing the benediction,
Muhlenberg threw off his clerical gown and stood before his people in full military uniform. Stepping down the aisle, he ordered the drums at the door to beat for new recruits. The whole village gathered at the church to learn what strange event had turned a quiet church meeting into a scene of bustle and excitement."
Christians should be interested in winning souls for Christ but also preserving our heritage and the political environment that many of our forefathers fought and died for so that our religious institutions could flourish.
29 posted on
09/02/2007 5:14:24 PM PDT by
DocRock
(All they that take the sword shall perish with the sword. Matthew 26:52 ... Go ahead, look it up!)
To: Clear Rivers
Evangelical Protestants are good people. That’s why the MSM despises them so much.
31 posted on
09/02/2007 5:17:22 PM PDT by
Rosemont
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