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Nearly 80,000 Ammunition Rounds Seized From Home
The Indy Channel ^ | 08/31/07

Posted on 08/31/2007 9:16:22 AM PDT by Abathar

SOUTH BEND, Ind. -- Authorities said they removed nearly 80,000 rounds of ammunition from the home of a South Bend man who warned that the world was going to end.

South Bend police and federal agents blocked off streets around Kevin Rieder's home for six hours Wednesday while they removed the ammunition.

Rieder, 38, was arrested Wednesday and charged with illegal possession of ammunition while subject to a restraining order, Assistant U.S. Attorney Donald Schmidt said.

The restraining order had been taken out by an ex-girlfriend, Schmidt said.

Rieder told employees at a gun shop where he bought 18,000 rounds that he believed the world was going to end, officials said.

He was in custody Friday morning, awaiting a Tuesday bail and detention hearing.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; US: Indiana
KEYWORDS: banglist; gungrabbers; policestate
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To: TChris
Could it have something to do with supplying the military during a war? ...maybe?

That's what happened to all the cheap Cold War surplus 7.62x39 and 7.62x54R. My understanding is that the US government bought it all up for the Afghan and Iraqi governments.

201 posted on 09/01/2007 10:17:51 AM PDT by fso301
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To: ozarkgirl
I know in Missouri you can’t purchase a gun when you have a restraining order, whether they can take your existing guns and ammo is something to wonder about.

They can, and they will.

BTW, it's a federal law. But unlike federal immigration law, the local gendarmes are quite happy to enforce this one.

202 posted on 09/01/2007 10:19:27 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: TChris
It sounds like some NRA lawyers need to make this into a court case.

Been there, done that. Lost.

See "US. vs. Emerson, 5th Circuit.

Actually he won at the district court level, see here, but the 5th circuit overturned on appeal by the government. The Supreme Court declined to hear his appeal.

However both district and circuit courts ruled that the Second Amendment protects an individual right. The 5th circuit ruled that it was OK to remove the right because the divorce proceedings constituted "due process". I think their arguments were weak, perhaps deliberately so, in hopes the Supreme Court would overturn, while upholding the individual right portion of the ruling.

203 posted on 09/01/2007 10:31:07 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Harvey105
It seems to me that the gun shop called the police because of his comments. How else would they know unless it was a routine search of the house because of the TRO.

I imagine the Ex ratted him out. The gun shop may have been investigated for selling him the ammunition, because selling it to someone with a domestic violence misdemeanor conviction or restraining order is itself a crime.

204 posted on 09/01/2007 10:36:40 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: TChris
Yes, and the raw material shortages are very likely connected to the war. It seems like that an obvious and significant pressure on the whole industry.

Yes and no, the use of copper and tin for ammunition brass and bullet jackets is probably is not the major use of those materials. The same goes for lead, which is used in batteries and electronics (as are copper and tin). Powder is pretty much unique, although the major use of it's constituents is fertilizer, but I also suspect there is plenty of it around, plus plenty of capacity to make more.

You have to remember that even though we now have a shooting war going on, the military is much diminished over what it was even as recently as 1990.

However the shooting war is likely affecting surplus ammo prices, basically there isn't much surplus around, except from uninvolved countries. The military is shooting it up in training, rather than putting it out on the surplus market. That in turn increases the demand for new production ammo, as well as decreasing the downward pressure on prices from the surplus market.

205 posted on 09/01/2007 10:45:01 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Steamburg
The ammo confiscation appears to come from an undefined Restraining Order banning him from “the purchase of ammunition”

No, the RO need only exist. The Lautenberg Amendment, 18 USC 922(g), takes care of the "banning".

206 posted on 09/01/2007 10:51:40 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Manic_Episode
Now he'll have to live in a van, down by the river.

After his long stay in the *federal* GrayBar Inn.

207 posted on 09/01/2007 10:55:57 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: EEDUDE
My step daughter got a DUI about 1 year ago. She received 400 hours of community service and 1 year probation. When probation started she was told that she could not have any firearms in the house during that period

I hope DUI wasn't punishable by more than 1 year, otherwise that prohibition is forever, not just during the length of the probationary period. That's regardless of the actual length of the sentence, it only depends on how long it could have been under the law.

208 posted on 09/01/2007 11:02:59 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Calpernia
Not only divorces. First there are temporary and perminent restraining orders

Restraining orders are used in a variety of contexts, including employment disputes, copyright infringement, and cases of harassment, domestic abuse, and stalking.

But not all restraining orders come with the second amendment nullification feature. Only "domestic violence ones". The law is not completely clear, but the regulations say the person restrained against (ie. the girlfriend in this case) need only have the same relationship as a spouse, there need not even be a common law marriage relationship. Shacking up for a short time is apparently enough, maybe even less "relationship" than that. There need not be any allegation of actual or threatened violence.

But if an employer or a neighbor got a restraining order against you, the Lautenberg amendment would not apply.

209 posted on 09/01/2007 11:09:27 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: wardaddy
he just got a 5 year min-man for legal ammo

AND loss of his RKBA ... for the rest of his life.

210 posted on 09/01/2007 11:17:55 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato

Is that true for tempories too? Or does the Lautenberg amendment come into play with perminent?


211 posted on 09/01/2007 11:26:16 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: El Gato

As the ex, she’d likely know about the guns and ammo at home but would she know about the new purchase? Of course the article is poorly written and doesn’t contain a lot of the relevant info needed to get the full story, but it seems to me that odd comments at the gun shop were the impetus for police action.

Thanks for helping to sort this out.


212 posted on 09/01/2007 11:59:34 AM PDT by Harvey105
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To: El Gato
Yes and no, the use of copper and tin for ammunition brass and bullet jackets is probably is not the major use of those materials. The same goes for lead, which is used in batteries and electronics (as are copper and tin).

I understand that China is buying up copper and lead like there was no tomorrow. Large amounts of lead are used in submarine batteries, and China is rapidly building up it's diesel-electric sub fleet. Also, automobiles are rapidly replacing bicycles and motorbikes in China, and cars need lead-acid batteries too.

That's not to say that Cbina isn't making large amounts of those metals into military ammo, I'm sure a lot of it goes for that purpose as well.

213 posted on 09/01/2007 3:09:44 PM PDT by epow ("Let the redeemed of the LORD say so, whom he hath redeemed from the hand of the enemy;)
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To: El Gato

yep...that too

these are ridiculous laws that need to be tossed

a direct attack on number two


214 posted on 09/01/2007 5:25:28 PM PDT by wardaddy (the future of the West is bleak)
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To: epow

“... In some LE agencies the damage may be accidental and unintended, but in many big cities it will be deliberate.”

Thanks for the feedback.


215 posted on 09/01/2007 7:45:50 PM PDT by monkeycard (There is no such thing as too much ammo.)
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To: El Gato
The amendment was part of the FY 1997 DoD Appropriations Act (ie. "Must Pass" Legislation, which few CongressCritters read) and was effective 30 September 1996.

Passed into law while the vaunted "Contract With America" Congress was still in control of legislation at the federal level.

Unfreakinbelievable.

216 posted on 09/01/2007 8:48:46 PM PDT by epow ("Let the redeemed of the LORD say so, whom he hath redeemed from the hand of the enemy;)
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To: Abathar
South Bend man who warned that the world was going to end.

Did he say when?

217 posted on 09/01/2007 8:50:05 PM PDT by bad company (How much easier is self-sacrifice than self-realization)
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To: Harvey105
As the ex, she’d likely know about the guns and ammo at home but would she know about the new purchase?

Of course the article is poorly written and doesn’t contain a lot of the relevant info needed to get the full story, but it seems to me that odd comments at the gun shop were the impetus for police action.

It's not clear to me that the gun shop comments triggered the police action. It seems more likely to me that they checked with the gun shop as part of their investigation. Maybe he had receipts, or the ex knew that's where he got some of the stuff. They'd need, or at least want, to check to see if the gun shop knew of the restraining order, because if they did, they committed a federal felony by selling to him. So, of course, when asked they didn't know, but had to say something juicy.

We'll just have to wait for follow up stories, if there are any.

218 posted on 09/01/2007 8:55:51 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: o_zarkman44
There is two types of law in America. the law on the books. And the unwritten above the law category that our government is operating at.

Exactly right. And I have had enough personal experience with corrupt, cynical, overbearing LE to realize it. Most of the LE establishment is OK, but a significant percentage isn't.

219 posted on 09/01/2007 8:56:17 PM PDT by epow ("Let the redeemed of the LORD say so, whom he hath redeemed from the hand of the enemy;)
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To: Revelation 911

“...South Bend man who warned that the world was going to end.”

Did he specify a date? If not, the guy is correct.


220 posted on 09/01/2007 8:59:18 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Who would the terrorists vote for?)
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