Posted on 08/31/2007 9:16:22 AM PDT by Abathar
SOUTH BEND, Ind. -- Authorities said they removed nearly 80,000 rounds of ammunition from the home of a South Bend man who warned that the world was going to end.
South Bend police and federal agents blocked off streets around Kevin Rieder's home for six hours Wednesday while they removed the ammunition.
Rieder, 38, was arrested Wednesday and charged with illegal possession of ammunition while subject to a restraining order, Assistant U.S. Attorney Donald Schmidt said.
The restraining order had been taken out by an ex-girlfriend, Schmidt said.
Rieder told employees at a gun shop where he bought 18,000 rounds that he believed the world was going to end, officials said.
He was in custody Friday morning, awaiting a Tuesday bail and detention hearing.
That's what happened to all the cheap Cold War surplus 7.62x39 and 7.62x54R. My understanding is that the US government bought it all up for the Afghan and Iraqi governments.
They can, and they will.
BTW, it's a federal law. But unlike federal immigration law, the local gendarmes are quite happy to enforce this one.
Been there, done that. Lost.
See "US. vs. Emerson, 5th Circuit.
Actually he won at the district court level, see here, but the 5th circuit overturned on appeal by the government. The Supreme Court declined to hear his appeal.
However both district and circuit courts ruled that the Second Amendment protects an individual right. The 5th circuit ruled that it was OK to remove the right because the divorce proceedings constituted "due process". I think their arguments were weak, perhaps deliberately so, in hopes the Supreme Court would overturn, while upholding the individual right portion of the ruling.
I imagine the Ex ratted him out. The gun shop may have been investigated for selling him the ammunition, because selling it to someone with a domestic violence misdemeanor conviction or restraining order is itself a crime.
Yes and no, the use of copper and tin for ammunition brass and bullet jackets is probably is not the major use of those materials. The same goes for lead, which is used in batteries and electronics (as are copper and tin). Powder is pretty much unique, although the major use of it's constituents is fertilizer, but I also suspect there is plenty of it around, plus plenty of capacity to make more.
You have to remember that even though we now have a shooting war going on, the military is much diminished over what it was even as recently as 1990.
However the shooting war is likely affecting surplus ammo prices, basically there isn't much surplus around, except from uninvolved countries. The military is shooting it up in training, rather than putting it out on the surplus market. That in turn increases the demand for new production ammo, as well as decreasing the downward pressure on prices from the surplus market.
No, the RO need only exist. The Lautenberg Amendment, 18 USC 922(g), takes care of the "banning".
After his long stay in the *federal* GrayBar Inn.
I hope DUI wasn't punishable by more than 1 year, otherwise that prohibition is forever, not just during the length of the probationary period. That's regardless of the actual length of the sentence, it only depends on how long it could have been under the law.
But not all restraining orders come with the second amendment nullification feature. Only "domestic violence ones". The law is not completely clear, but the regulations say the person restrained against (ie. the girlfriend in this case) need only have the same relationship as a spouse, there need not even be a common law marriage relationship. Shacking up for a short time is apparently enough, maybe even less "relationship" than that. There need not be any allegation of actual or threatened violence.
But if an employer or a neighbor got a restraining order against you, the Lautenberg amendment would not apply.
AND loss of his RKBA ... for the rest of his life.
Is that true for tempories too? Or does the Lautenberg amendment come into play with perminent?
As the ex, she’d likely know about the guns and ammo at home but would she know about the new purchase? Of course the article is poorly written and doesn’t contain a lot of the relevant info needed to get the full story, but it seems to me that odd comments at the gun shop were the impetus for police action.
Thanks for helping to sort this out.
I understand that China is buying up copper and lead like there was no tomorrow. Large amounts of lead are used in submarine batteries, and China is rapidly building up it's diesel-electric sub fleet. Also, automobiles are rapidly replacing bicycles and motorbikes in China, and cars need lead-acid batteries too.
That's not to say that Cbina isn't making large amounts of those metals into military ammo, I'm sure a lot of it goes for that purpose as well.
yep...that too
these are ridiculous laws that need to be tossed
a direct attack on number two
“... In some LE agencies the damage may be accidental and unintended, but in many big cities it will be deliberate.”
Thanks for the feedback.
Passed into law while the vaunted "Contract With America" Congress was still in control of legislation at the federal level.
Unfreakinbelievable.
Did he say when?
It's not clear to me that the gun shop comments triggered the police action. It seems more likely to me that they checked with the gun shop as part of their investigation. Maybe he had receipts, or the ex knew that's where he got some of the stuff. They'd need, or at least want, to check to see if the gun shop knew of the restraining order, because if they did, they committed a federal felony by selling to him. So, of course, when asked they didn't know, but had to say something juicy.
We'll just have to wait for follow up stories, if there are any.
Exactly right. And I have had enough personal experience with corrupt, cynical, overbearing LE to realize it. Most of the LE establishment is OK, but a significant percentage isn't.
“...South Bend man who warned that the world was going to end.”
Did he specify a date? If not, the guy is correct.
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