Posted on 08/31/2007 9:16:22 AM PDT by Abathar
SOUTH BEND, Ind. -- Authorities said they removed nearly 80,000 rounds of ammunition from the home of a South Bend man who warned that the world was going to end.
South Bend police and federal agents blocked off streets around Kevin Rieder's home for six hours Wednesday while they removed the ammunition.
Rieder, 38, was arrested Wednesday and charged with illegal possession of ammunition while subject to a restraining order, Assistant U.S. Attorney Donald Schmidt said.
The restraining order had been taken out by an ex-girlfriend, Schmidt said.
Rieder told employees at a gun shop where he bought 18,000 rounds that he believed the world was going to end, officials said.
He was in custody Friday morning, awaiting a Tuesday bail and detention hearing.
an open powder keg is one thing. Ammo already loaded is and has never been an issue with the fire dept.
Even in a fire, loaded ammo may sound like firecrackers going off. But without a directional mechanism the lead is not projectile in nature because the shell explodes sideways.
As for calling my local fire dept for advice, forget it.
They are in most cases loyal to the establishment, protection racket. Advertising anything of a personal nature is opening the door to harassment by overzealous protectors.
It's probably sitting in a police evidence room. If the standard operating procedure of many LE agencies and liberal courts prevails, the rightful owner will never see it again even if he's found not guilty of any crime.
If your gun is ever seized and impounded by the cops for any reason, when and if you ever see it again, which is not guaranteed, it will most likely be rusted and damaged by rough handling and careless storage in a damp basement evidence room. In some LE agencies the damage may be accidental and unintended, but in many big cities it will be deliberate.
For people already in possession of a firearm when an order is served, they have been granted additional criminal liability immediately. So do they just walk down to the cop shop and turn in their suddenly illegal firearms???
Back door gun confiscation is equally dangerous because the premise for any restraining order of protection is not a conviction by a court for anything but an inferred threat that can be misconstrued and manipulated for the purpose of further intimidation of the RKBA.
Even if the order is lifted, just the possession of a legal firearm during the course of the order has elevated the law abiding citizen to a federal offender forever taking their RKBA. This constitutes government tyranny. If the original charge is null and void, no subsequent charges arising from the original order should have standing.
Now we know where all the copper has been going.
The operative phrase there is "should have". What should be and what actually is are not the same thing in almost all cases where the 2nd Amendment is involved.
Spent a month in Kalifornia in the early 70’s. Hitchhiked home to escape the sheer madness. The state was hopeless then and even worse now. Not saying there are not some good people there. But they have no control of their destiny.
Don't know about ammo, but or guns, yes that is exactly what the Lautenberg amendment provides.
While I didn't know about the ammunition, I just checked, and it is indeed covered by the law (18 USC 922(g)(8) It even affects police officers and military. Military! According to a Ft. Riley web site:
the Lautenberg Amendment makes it a felony for anyone convicted of a misdemeanor crime of “domestic violence” (e.g., assault or attempted assault on a family member) to ship, transport, possess, or receive firearms or ammunition. There is no exception for military personnel engaged in official duties. The Amendment also makes it a felony for anyone to sell or issue a firearm or ammunition to a person with such a conviction. This includes commanders and NCOs who furnish weapons or ammunition to soldiers knowing, or having reason to believe, they have qualifying convictions.
E. Command Responsibilities. Commanders requesting guidance concerning the Lautenberg Amendment should contact their Trial Counsel or the Administrative Law Division at 239-2717. DOD and Army policy requires the following to implement and enforce the Lautenberg Amendment:
1. Notify soldiers that it is unlawful to possess firearms and ammunition if they have qualifying domestic violence convictions;
2. Check local unit files to determine whether soldiers have qualifying convictions and report soldiers known to have such convictions through command channels to HQDA;
3. Detail soldiers having or believed to have qualifying convictions to duties not requiring the bearing of weapons or ammunition;
4. Prohibit soldiers having or believed to have qualifying convictions from deployments for missions requiring possession of firearms or ammunition;
5. Prohibit soldiers having or believed to have qualifying convictions from attending military schools where instruction in weapons or ammunition is part of the curriculum;
6. Prohibit soldiers having or believed to have qualifying convictions from receiving OCONUS assignments;
7. Transfer – where possible – soldiers having or believed to have qualifying convictions from TOE to TDA units and organizations; and
8. Prohibit soldiers having or believed to have qualifying convictions from re-enlisting.
Did I get moved to the USSR as I slept? You must have slept a long time. The amendment was part of the FY 1997 DoD Appropriations Act (ie. "Must Pass" Legislation, which few CongressCritters read) and was effective 30 September 1996.
Violation of 18 USC section 922(g). Even if/when the restraining order is removed, he's now a felon and has lost his RKBA forever. And so would you,even if you'd had a single round of .22 LR in the bottom of your sock drawer, were you at the same time subject to a "domestic violence" restraining order.
The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.
Ayn Rand
Clearly a violation of his rights. The long arm of the law needs to be cut off at the hand for taking advantage of confiscation by proxy.
Don't know, but if you've got even one round of loaded ammunition, you too could be hauled off on a federal felony charge, given that you also had such a restraining order against you.
Nothing, yet, AFAIK, but if you have a restraining order from an ex Significant Other, or a current one for that matter, you've just become federal felon. Even if your possession of that ammunition and/or firearm was as part of your official duties as a police officer or military member.
No, nor even hunting knives, hatchets, machetes or chain saws. Only firearms and ammunition. For now anyway.
If you don’t have the original recipt for the purchase of the firearm, you will rarely get it back.
Even if there is a federal form for the purchase, the locals will not look for the paperwork or release the firearm unless you can prove the gun was still yours and had not been reappropriated.
Shady cops will make the paper trail impossible if they want to and unless you want to spend thousands on a lawyer for a 300 dollar gun, the cops always win.
There is two types of law in America. the law on the books. And the unwritten above the law category that our government is operating at.
Not bad, only one order of magnitude off. Close enough for some purposes, but not in this case.
Problem is that not all ROs involve charges or even any complaints, ie. built into divorce papers. The Lautenberg law needs to be eliminated.
When I was competing in USPSA, at one time I had 24 pounds of powder and about 10,000 primers in my garage.
Mark
800-1600 little boxes of east block 5.56 would fit in a nice dresser or armoire
what’s the big deal?
oh....the old ex-girlfriend angle
she’s pissed...he just got a 5 year min-man for legal ammo
restraining orders are so cool..../s
That's just a fun day at the range with an MG-42 and a few spare barrels.
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