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To: ejonesie22

The biggest magnet is knowing the chances of being found and deported are slim. If our policy is to deport immediately, family and all, upon discovery, then self deportation will commence as well. You give Bush/Huckabee/Fred nonsense about aspirations for citizenship and you’ve just killed the incentive to leave.

If you do not have an extremely robust deportation policy, people will continue to pay illegals under the table like millions are today.

And as far as the border goes, Fred is even unsure about the need for a physical fence. He leans towards the Rudy high tech version. These people are not going to give a rip if they appear on camera (with a bandana on their face) as long as there is a van on the US side to take them to a safe house.

Fred’s record is middling at best on illegal immigration and was certainly never a priority to him, despite some of his colleagues demonstrating the problem time and time again.


69 posted on 08/31/2007 7:19:49 AM PDT by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: pissant
Fred is even unsure about the need for a physical fence.

Thompson doesn't want to commit to a one-size-fits all solution? Hang 'im now!

Guess what pissant, a physical fence doesn't do any good either unless it's monitored.

72 posted on 08/31/2007 7:22:25 AM PDT by kevkrom (The religion of global warming: "There is no goddess but Gaia and Al Gore is her profit.")
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To: pissant

I listened to what was on Hunter’s website about ten days ago, and unless he changed it, I can’t see on his website. He says build the fence over and over and over again. He says it is possible to deport [when pressed by a reporter in an interview] but does not specify that he will deport all of them. The reporter wanted more of an answer and he said to tell them to go home.

I’ve not been able to find an interview of Hunter saying anything about an extensive deportation. Do you have a link?

I listened to a bunch of interviews and could not find it.

Fred is under restrictions as to what he can say or how much until after declaring.

Hunter is declared, and according to you he is perfect. Does he say the same thing that you are saying?


96 posted on 08/31/2007 9:12:33 AM PDT by hoosierpearl (To God be the glory.)
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To: pissant
You are going to hit a limit on hard core tactics with the general population.

Look, I want to flip them all over the fence. There are times I think if I see another Bilingual ATM I will goes nuts.

However I know what we are up against. We have made some limited headway with the press, but nowhere near enough to overcome the “sympathetic” expose’ on the plight of the poor little migrant worker. We have the search for cheap labor, which is hard to go against money wise, and the fact that for what it’s worth there are a lot of good hard workers in that mix. They are indeed doing a few things that the lower end of our work force shuns in favor of handouts and minimal effort. I have witnessed that first hand.

I will say it one more time, Draconian measures will backfire all the way back into the issue of the fence and border security. We have to reverse 40 years of liberal mindset that has befallen a very large part of our voting population.

If you think that extreme conservative ideas are popular, why are we where we are now. Why did we start to lose it almost from day on 200 years ago. People do not always want to do what’s right, but what is expedient for them.

I don’t like it, but again there is the way things are and the way things ought to be.

As far as Fred on the fence, I am of a mind he wants to look at it further. As it is there maybe some ways to limit the expense of running one all the way across. Also there is some hesitation in some quarters about actually putting a fence across an entire border. The is a feeling that such an act is a tick too East German. As far as I am concerned it should go out 12 miles into the Gulf and Pacific, with mines, but again I am realistic and I don’t want to back myself into a corner where we get painted as nut cases and end up with Bupkis...

98 posted on 08/31/2007 9:17:01 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (I don't use a sarcasm tag, it kills the effect...)
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