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Children? Or are we 'adult-centered'?
Daily Herald ^ | 8/30/07 | Ben Arnoldy

Posted on 08/30/2007 9:06:05 AM PDT by qam1

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To: qam1

I am 39, have been married to the same beautiful woman for 18 years. we have 6 children; 16, 13, 9, 7, 4, 14mos. We homeschool and all of my children except th eyoungest are involved in city athletics the oldest palys varsity baseball for a local christian high school. We will always have kids in the house.


21 posted on 08/30/2007 10:09:04 AM PDT by Armed Civilian ("Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue.")
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To: Philistone; Niuhuru

When we saw grow up do we mean being responsible or being a stodgy, dull grown up? We do the responsibility part, but I’m known to be a bit childlike.


22 posted on 08/30/2007 10:13:47 AM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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To: Finny

“Amen! When parents make children (as opposed to the marriage) the center of their lives, it puts a huge burden on the kids, from childhood through adulthood.”

That’s a very interesting insight! You are right, it would place a burden on the kids. Kinda like they have to keep tap-dancing—doing well in sports, getting good grades, giving the parents stuff to brag about—in order to keep the parents occupied and happy.


23 posted on 08/30/2007 10:22:35 AM PDT by Abigail Adams
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To: Jeff Chandler

“And I agree that parents who are emotional parasites of their children do no one any good.”

That’s a great comment! I would be interested to hear examples of this. Do you mean, for example, parents who get an ego boost from bragging about their kids’ sports?


24 posted on 08/30/2007 10:25:14 AM PDT by Abigail Adams
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To: Armed Civilian

“We will always have kids in the house.”

No you won’t, unless your adult children live with you after they are married, or unless you keep having babies well into your 70s! :-)


25 posted on 08/30/2007 10:26:31 AM PDT by Abigail Adams
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To: qam1

To me this is not so much about children as it is about the quality of younger women.

Just listen to Dr. Laura for a few weeks to get an understanding of the spoiled nature of young ladies.


26 posted on 08/30/2007 10:36:20 AM PDT by Vision ("Blessed is the man who trusts in the Lord, whose confidence is in him." Jeremiah 17:7)
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To: Abigail Adams
I would be interested to hear examples of this. Do you mean, for example, parents who get an ego boost from bragging about their kids’ sports?

LOL! Well, a little bragging is normal.

27 posted on 08/30/2007 10:39:49 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler ("A person's a person no matter how small." -Dr. Seuss)
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To: HungarianGypsy

My statement was a gross over-generalization, but to me, being an adult means the ability to postpone immediate pleasures for future ones, being self-reliant and for taking responsibility for ones actions. Having a kid isn’t a necessary condition, but it does concentrate the mind most singularly on the aforementioned.


28 posted on 08/30/2007 10:49:59 AM PDT by Philistone (Your existence as a non-believer offends the Prophet(MPBUH).)
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To: Abigail Adams

>>A healthy family is one where the marriage is at the center, not the kids.<<

You are absolutely right. My wife and I say, “We were a couple before we had kids, and nothing should change.”

Relationships are doomed once parents start putting their children between them.

Having said that though, this article is slightly scary. As our society becomes more and more selfish, we’ll see fewer and fewer kids.

We got married young and started raising children young. Never regretted a moment of it!


29 posted on 08/30/2007 10:53:19 AM PDT by ItsOurTimeNow (FR Member ItsOurTimeNow: Declared Anathema by the Council of Trent)
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To: Abigail Adams

Children and Grand children


30 posted on 08/30/2007 11:01:49 AM PDT by Armed Civilian ("Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue.")
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To: RC2

Shame on you for using common sense!


31 posted on 08/30/2007 11:03:45 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: mysterio

“Both partners having to work full time just to pay the bills makes it harder for people my age to have kids.”

Harder, but not impossible.

In WWII, women were encouraged to work as an act of patriotism. Then in the sixties, Betty Friedan decided that staying home could not possibly be fulfilling and wrote a seductive book that got women who fell for her claptrap out of the house in droves. The instant women controlled their own pocketbooks, amazingly (/sarc), the cost of everything increased just because it could. That caused even more women to enter the workforce because those women who hadn’t fallen into the trap couldn’t afford anything anymore.

Considering the massive negative effect this has had on society, maybe it would be an act of patriotism for moms to stay home. Why? Just think. Overnight it would decrease our gasoline usage by more than half and terrorists would not be financing their operations with our money. Oh...and it would decrease our carbon footprint. ;)


32 posted on 08/30/2007 11:35:32 AM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: qam1

“Women are marrying later, devoting more attention to careers and waiting longer to have children, research shows, which sometimes results in them not having children at all.”

National suicide.


33 posted on 08/30/2007 11:39:28 AM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Bump!


34 posted on 08/30/2007 11:40:34 AM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: sageb1

I joke with people and say that it becomes 1952 when you cross the threshold of my house. My wife was raised by her grandmother, and holds a lot of those “old-school” Biblical ideals as to how a wife should be.

We homeschool, have only one vehicle, don’t take expensive vacations, have a small & modest home, and don’t eat out or entertain very often. We cut corners and save, but it’s worth it.

It’s a countless blessing to have a low-maintenance helpmeet who shares a love for children and the way things ‘ought to be’.


35 posted on 08/30/2007 11:48:30 AM PDT by ItsOurTimeNow (FR Member ItsOurTimeNow: Declared Anathema by the Council of Trent)
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To: ItsOurTimeNow

Good comments! Except...

Are you calling me selfish for not having children? I’ve never understood that argument. Maybe it’s because parents feel they are sacrificing so much for their kids that they can’t stand the thought of someone else not having to make those same sacrifices? Then that would simply be jealousy and self-righteousness.


36 posted on 08/30/2007 11:53:10 AM PDT by Abigail Adams
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To: Abigail Adams

“I think society should be adult-centered, not child-centered. “Back in my day,” parents were not so uber-involved in all the extra-curricular activities of their children, like most parents are today.”

Agree strongly with you. It’s called “accessibility time.” In other words, a parent is around someplace, but not involved in or directing childplay. The child has a sense of security just knowing a parent is within calling distance. So-called quality time is good if not overdone. Children need to practice the good examples they get from their parents away from their parents. Like solving disputes. Nowadays, adults interfere and control that process and kids aren’t learning it how to do it themselves. Now we have anger management classes to make up for what they never were allowed to learn.


37 posted on 08/30/2007 11:53:41 AM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: qam1
I am not sure if they haven’t selected the data to match there story. In 1985 the number of children per household was less. They are taking 1960 which is still in the baby boomer years and comparing it to now. Family size went way down in the 1980’s and is back on the rise now.
38 posted on 08/30/2007 11:56:49 AM PDT by poinq
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To: ItsOurTimeNow

Amen!


39 posted on 08/30/2007 11:56:54 AM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: shbox
Well....I went out to lunch last week to a pizza joint. As soon as I walked in, I noticed 15 to 20 children in the place. I turned right around and went somewhere else.

I go to restaurants that have no "family specials."

And when I go on vacation, I look for the places that the NAACP is boycotting.

40 posted on 08/30/2007 1:10:44 PM PDT by HIDEK6
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