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1 posted on 08/29/2007 4:34:43 AM PDT by fabrizio
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Pop some corn, this should be one interesting thread. :-)


2 posted on 08/29/2007 4:37:31 AM PDT by rhombus
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very little conservative about either president named Bush.

Better than the Dim choices...YOU BET. but conservative??? I think not.


3 posted on 08/29/2007 4:40:01 AM PDT by Vaquero (" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
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Two hallmarks of this administration that are at odds with my concept of conservatism are the unprecedented federal involvement in education and the refusal to uphold our nation’s sovereignty.


5 posted on 08/29/2007 4:49:31 AM PDT by freespirited (The mystery of government is not how Washington works but how to make it stop. -- P.J. O'Rourke)
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Oh, and by the way, he has kept our country from being directly attacked since 9-11.

He gets little credit for this and yet virtually no one would have guessed that this would be true. I was like almost 70% of Americans who expected another homeland attack within a year. It is almost six years and counting.


6 posted on 08/29/2007 4:51:54 AM PDT by NeilGus
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To: fabrizio

About the only things Conservative:
W’s willing to fight a war most want to ignore.
W’s trying to keep a tax cut on the books.

Border defense? Faaahhgedddabaahtit!


9 posted on 08/29/2007 5:00:41 AM PDT by Flintlock (-)
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(Tangent to the topic) What we fail to understand about elections and the people for whom we vote, is that we are employers hiring those who will represent us at the local, state and federal level. Too many times I read that it is perfectly acceptable to elect “the lesser of the two eveils”.

Think about that. Someone comes into your office looking for a job and their resume lists them as the “lesser of the two evils”. Is that really someone you want to hire to work for you? Is that really that caliber of employee you are seeking?

This government was famously described by Abraham Lincoln as being one “of the people, by the people and for the people”. The president, Congress, et al, serve at OUR pleasure and are OUR employees.

When we go into the voting booth in the primaries and in the general election next year, it is incumbent upon each of us to remember that we are hiring the people who will represent us. “Lesser of the two evils” simply doesn’t cut it.


15 posted on 08/29/2007 5:11:39 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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Bash Away FR DBS!

Pray for W and Our Troops


16 posted on 08/29/2007 5:13:21 AM PDT by bray (Member of the FR President Bush underground fighting FR BDS)
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I think this is a great analysis by the brilliant Michael Novak. I agree with most of his analysis — it’s one of the few analyses that puts Bush’s record within the context of the times: he doesn’t mention the recession and market meltdown that Bush inherited from Clinton but makes the point that the terrorist attacks on 9/11 drove much of the policy decisions during both terms in office.

What Bush’s two terms have painfully missed is an effective bully pulpit spokesman. Bush is just lousy at it, except his major set-piece speaches. Cheney could have done that (although I’m sure he wouldn’t have relished the role) but I’m sure they worried about Cheney taking too much of the spotlight. That’s where we’ve really missed the Gipper. If Bush could have effectively taken his major initiatives to the people — going over the heads of the media elites — I think his record would have been much better. And with that ability, maybe he would have done some things differently (like CFR).

It is a shame, really, that he was crippled by the inability to communicate effectively.


21 posted on 08/29/2007 5:23:51 AM PDT by ReleaseTheHounds ("You ask, 'What is our aim?' I can answer in one word: VICTORY - victory - at all costs...")
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To: fabrizio

bump


25 posted on 08/29/2007 5:38:56 AM PDT by Christian4Bush ("Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech." Hold a hearing on that.)
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President Bush has defined a new kind of conservatism.

I guess so. It bears absolutely no relation to the old kind of conservatism. At they rate they're changing it then in about 20 years Hillary Clinton will be considered a conservative.

26 posted on 08/29/2007 5:41:55 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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I say take the tax cuts away as one of his achievements. Temporary only. They expire after 2010 and you think Hildabeast or any marxist congress will vote to keep them? The ‘pubs are toast in 2008. Even if FDT wins the presidency, what could he do with a hardcore leftist congress?


36 posted on 08/29/2007 6:35:23 AM PDT by dynachrome (Henry Bowman is right.)
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From the article (March 2007. Kinda old news)

" seem to overlook some stirring initiatives by this much-attacked president—such as his work on AIDS, for the poor in Africa, and against human trafficking. However deficient you think his judgment may have been about what was possible, no president has ever been more openly pro-life."

Pro-life? Yup.

Aids and the poor in Africa? $ down a sh*thole. No one will remember Pres. Bush for any Africa initiative.

That's the best the writer can come up with?

37 posted on 08/29/2007 6:43:13 AM PDT by dynachrome (Henry Bowman is right.)
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The article Novak is referring to:

http://www.firstthings.com/article.php3?id_article=5444


39 posted on 08/29/2007 6:45:04 AM PDT by dynachrome (Henry Bowman is right.)
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Bush a Conservative? From one who has voted for Bush four times, I can say he’s a real dissapoitment, not a real Conservative. Like Father, like Son. (An apple doesn’t fall too far from the tree).


66 posted on 08/29/2007 10:12:53 AM PDT by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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The neoconservative idea, broadly articulated, is to employ the machinery of government in the pursuit of conservative ends. It would be a mistake for conservatives to write off government completely. Politics abhors a vacuum and if the Right is not going to fill it, the Left will. And the way the Left uses government is principally a disaster. Bush has his fair share of faults. But re-inventing government to attain and preservative traditional values should be praised not criticized. Its a roadmap of how conservatives would like to see government work. We can either follow it or see the Left take us down the road of despotism and collectivism. So in reality, that choice should be seen as no choice at all.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

75 posted on 08/29/2007 7:26:38 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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“Three percent would go for a G. W. Bush Republican. One gets the impression that Bush isn’t even considered a conservative.”

Well, at least the author was honest upfront (lol)


77 posted on 08/30/2007 3:54:41 AM PDT by jedward
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“But to do so honestly and accurately, one must note the change in method that President Bush has quietly and successfully been enacting.”

Funny thing that is...I’ve seen a graphic being posted around here with every conceivable example of human behavior listed, while trying to define a ‘troll’. Well, just for kicks, let’s take one of the items listed in that graphic that says something to the effect of ‘trying to change the newsgoup’. Hmmmmmmm...by that definition, one could logically reason that the above quoted behavior is ‘trollish’ (lol)

We don’t need Conservatism re-defined! Thanks.


79 posted on 08/30/2007 4:02:59 AM PDT by jedward
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To: fabrizio

ROFLMAO


93 posted on 08/30/2007 7:30:15 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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