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Guess What Folks - Secession Wasn't Treason
The Copperhead Chronicles ^ | August 2007 | Al Benson

Posted on 08/27/2007 1:37:39 PM PDT by BnBlFlag

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Guess What Folks--Secesson Wasn't Treason by Al Benson Jr.

More and more of late I have been reading articles dealing with certain black racist groups that claim to have the best interests of average black folks at heart (they really don't). It seems these organizations can't take time to address the problems of black crime in the black community or of single-parent families in the black community in any meaningful way. It's much more lucrative for them (and it gets more press coverage) if they spend their time and resources attacking Confederate symbols. Ive come to the conclusion that they really don't give a rip for the welfare of black families. They only use that as a facade to mask their real agenda--the destruction of Southern, Christian culture.

Whenever they deal with questions pertaining to history they inevitably come down on that same old lame horse that the South was evil because they seceded from the Union--and hey--everybody knows that secession was treason anyway. Sorry folks, but that old line is nothing more than a gigantic pile of cow chips that smells real ripe in the hot August sun! And I suspect that many of them know that--they just don't want you to know it--all the better to manipulate you my dear!

It is interesting that those people never mention the fact that the New England states threatened secession three times--that's right three times--before 1860. In 1814 delegates from those New England states actually met in Hartford, Connecticut to consider seceding from the Union. Look up the Hartford Convention of 1814 on the Internet if you want a little background. Hardly anyone ever mentions the threatened secession of the New England states. Most "history" books I've seen never mention it. Secession is never discussed until 1860 when it suddenly became "treasonous" for the Southern states to do it. What about the treasonous intent of the New England states earlier? Well, you see, it's only treasonous if the South does it.

Columnist Joe Sobran, whom I enjoy, once wrote an article in which he stated that "...Jefferson was an explicit secessionist. For openers he wrote a famous secessionist document known to posterity as the Declaration of Independence." If these black racist groups are right, that must mean that Jefferson was guilty of treason, as were Washington and all these others that aided them in our secession from Great Britain. Maybe the black racists all wish they were still citizens of Great Britain. If that's the case, then as far as I know, the airlines are still booking trips to London, so nothing is stopping them.

After the War of Northern Aggression against the South was over (at least the shooting part) the abolitionist radicals in Washington decided they would try Jefferson Davis, president of the Confederate States as a co-conspirator in the Lincoln assassination (which would have been just great for Edwin M. Stanton) and as a traitor for leading the secessionist government in Richmond, though secession had hardly been original with Mr. Davis. However, trying Davis for treason as a secessionist was one trick the abolitionist radicals couldn't quite pull off.

Burke Davis, (no relation to Jeff Davis that I know of) in his book The Long Surrender on page 204, noted a quote by Chief Justice Salmon P. Chase, telling Edwin Stanton that "If you bring these leaders to trial, it will condemn the North, for by the Constitution, secession is not rebellion...His (Jeff Davis') capture was a mistake. His trial will be a greater one. We cannot convict him of treason." Burke Davis then continued on page 214, noting that a congressiona committee proposed a special court for Davis' trial, headed by Judge Franz Lieber. Davis wrote: "After studying more than 270,000 Confederate documents, seeking evidence against Davis, the court discouraged the War Department: 'Davis will be found not guilty,' Lieber reported 'and we shall stand there completely beaten'." What the radical Yankees and their lawyers were admitting among themselves (but quite obviously not for the historical record) was that they and Lincoln had just fought a war of aggression agains the Southern states and their people, a war that had taken or maimed the lives of over 600,000 Americans, both North and South, and they had not one shread of constitutional justification for having done so, nor had they any constitutional right to have impeded the Southern states when they chose to withdraw from a Union for which they were paying 83% of all the expenses, while getting precious little back for it, save insults from the North.

Most of us detest big government or collectivism. Yet, since the advent of the Lincoln administration we have been getting ever increasing doses of it. Lincoln was, in one sense, the "great emancipator" in that he freed the federal government from any chains the constitution had previously bound it with, so it could now roam about unfettered "seeking to devous whoseover it could." And where the Founders sought to give us "free and independent states" is anyone naive enough anymore as to think the states are still free and independent? Those who honestly still think that are prime candidates for belief in the Easter Bunny, for he is every bit as real as is the "freedom" our states experience at this point in history. Our federal government today is even worse than what our forefathers went to war against Britain to prevent. And because we have been mostly educated in their government brain laundries (public schools) most still harbor the illusion that they are "free." Well, as they say, "the brainwashed never wonder." ___________________

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Al Benson Jr.'s, [send him email] columns are to found on many online journals such as Fireeater.Org, The Sierra Times, and The Patriotist. Additionally, Mr. Benson is editor of the Copperhead Chronicle [more information] and author of the Homeschool History Series, [more information] a study of the War of Southern Independence. The Copperhead Chronicle is a quarterly newsletter written with a Christian, pro-Southern perspective.

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To: stand watie
I understand your anguish. I provided a quote from Lincoln -- consistent with his later actions -- that proved your LOUD assertion to be as wrong as can be.

And so of course you loudly whine and, well... you lie about it.

But rational people know the difference between your lying, and what Lincoln actually said.

I'm sick of you.

521 posted on 09/01/2007 2:37:57 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: carton253

No, you made it perfectly clear. I just misread it.


522 posted on 09/01/2007 2:49:20 PM PDT by groanup (Limited government is the answer. What's the question?)
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To: carton253

Best of luck with your book! A lot of people here on both sides of the discussion know a whole lot more about the Civil War than I do, and I see that some of them have answered your question. Sadly, few people today know much about history thanks to our lousy educational system.


523 posted on 09/01/2007 2:52:57 PM PDT by puroresu
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To: stand watie

“The Cherokee Nation: A History” by Robert J. Conley.

The brothers are okay for now, but they’re on my list!


524 posted on 09/01/2007 2:55:48 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Gravity! It's not just a good idea, it's the law!)
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To: r9etb; All
despite the REVISIONIST heresy of current historiography,there was just ONE main cause of the WBTS. (fwiw, when i was in college in the '60s, you would have gotten laughed off the campus at most ANY university for even suggesting that the MAIN/SINGLE cause of the WBTS was slavery. that NONSENSE started in the late '60s-early 70s, in the northeastern universities.)

the WBTS was about LIBERTY for dixie.

there were about 100 minor causes, but NONE approached the lust of southerners to be FREE from political/social/business/academic/financial domination by the northern ELITISTS out of DAMNyankeeland, primarily NY & new england.

face it, you've been lied to and made a fool of by the LEFTIST/fascists, out of the "poison ivy league" & "left coast" schools, who wouldn't spit on you if you caught fire. (in point of fact, such elitists ridicule & laugh AT anyone who is foolish enough to believe their KNOWING lies.)

only about 5-6% of northerners/southerners had slaves. those slave-OWNERS were extremely concerned about preservation of the "peculiar institution".

FEW other people cared a damn about either slavery or about "the plight of the slaves". they SHOULD have;they did NOT.

further, FEW people, north or south, cared enough about "some rich guy's right to have slaves" to fight a SKIRMISH over it, much less a major WAR.

this is especially true of the CSA soldiers/sailors/marines, as the AVERAGE of GROSS ASSETS of those servicemen/women was LESS than $ 25.oo US (people that poor couldn't have bought a slave, had they wanted one!). the CSA service-members fought for their city/county/parish/state, each other & for FREEDOM from a faraway central government, which they believed (CORRECTLY) was NOT acting in their informed self-interest & which was likely to become evermore intrusive into their lives.

further, the common soldier/sailor/marine of the CSA was fighting against the WEALTHY/privileged elitists everywhere. (had they won their war for FREEDOM, the "plantation aristocracy" might well been next on the "list of enemies", especially since so many of the dixie aristocrats had COLLOBORATED with the enemy during the war.)

the brave/honorable "Billy Yanks" too, were fighting for a PRINCIPLE: Preserving the Union. generally, they cared NOTHING about the "peculiar institution" OR about the slaves.

free dixie,sw

525 posted on 09/01/2007 2:56:01 PM PDT by stand watie ("Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God." - T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: carton253

*sigh* Not even Jackson? (Rhetorical sigh).My suggestion on the biographies...what about a brief bio of the main characters at the very beginning of the book. Just a couple sentences introducing Jackson, Stuart, Lee, etc.


526 posted on 09/01/2007 2:57:04 PM PDT by Oorang (Tyranny thrives best where government need not fear the wrath of an armed people - Alex Kozinski)
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To: puroresu

Thank you...


527 posted on 09/01/2007 2:57:26 PM PDT by carton253 (And if that time does come, then draw your swords and throw away the scabbards.)
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To: carton253

Civil War enthusiasts will know them all, and have strong opinions about them, especially having drink taken.

The general public under 40, outside the South, probably knows the names of Lee and Grant.


528 posted on 09/01/2007 2:57:39 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Gravity! It's not just a good idea, it's the law!)
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To: Oorang

That is a great suggestion. And I was so disappointed by the answers I was receiving.


529 posted on 09/01/2007 3:01:29 PM PDT by carton253 (And if that time does come, then draw your swords and throw away the scabbards.)
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To: jamese777
well, then you have been FOOLED by the current crop of REVISIONIST historiographers.

try reading THE REAL LINCOLN, by Tom DiLorenzo, for a TRUTHFUL re-look at the TYRANT.

should "the hilleyBEAST" win in 2008/2012 (SHUDDER!!!), perhaps wee willie klintoon will have his very own "MONSTROSITY on the Potomac".(fwiw, it doesn't take anything but MONEY to erect a memorial!)

fwiw, i've suggested that the "memorial to the tyrant" should be moved to DAMNyankeeland & out of VA or perhaps it should be turned into an artificial reef in the Chesapeake Bay, so that "DIShonest abe, the clay-footed secular saint of DAMnyankeeland" can "sleep with the fishes".

free dixie,sw

530 posted on 09/01/2007 3:06:19 PM PDT by stand watie ("Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God." - T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: carton253

It’s not just the Civil War. Most high school grads today would have a hard time identifying James Madison or Douglas McArthur.

About the only things they know about history are a few evils attributed to America. They know we owned slaves. They know we once didn’t let women vote. They know we were “imperialists”. They know about the Japanese internment and that we dropped the bomb on two Japanese cities. They know we (ahem) invaded “Vietnam”. Etcetera, etcetera.


531 posted on 09/01/2007 3:08:01 PM PDT by puroresu
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To: r9etb
the feeling is mutual.

AFTER you've spent over 3 decades reading the actual records/documents from the period (rather than believing what someone else said), THEN come back & tell me how wrong i am.

until then, you are just another "person with an opinion". (opinions are like bellybuttons. everyone has one & they frequently stink.)

free dixie,sw

532 posted on 09/01/2007 3:10:06 PM PDT by stand watie ("Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God." - T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: puroresu
WELL SAID!

free dixie,sw

533 posted on 09/01/2007 3:10:52 PM PDT by stand watie ("Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God." - T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: puroresu

Actually, make that Douglas MacArthur. I proved my own point! LOL! :-)


534 posted on 09/01/2007 3:11:41 PM PDT by puroresu
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To: carton253
CONGRADS on writing your book!!

i, too, am writing 2 books (one nonfiction on the war in the Trans-Mississippi on "private actions on behalf of the CSA" & one "science fiction/alternative history" on the SECOND war between Blue & Gray. it is set in the period 2011-2015AD.).

if i can ever get everyone "well" at once in my family, perhaps i can finish one/BOTH!

once more, CONGRADS!!!!

free dixie,sw

535 posted on 09/01/2007 3:15:56 PM PDT by stand watie ("Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God." - T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: Tax-chick
rotflmRao!!!

my mother used to say, "IF the 2 of you wake the baby up, i;'m going to MURDER you!!!"

free dixie HUGS,sw

536 posted on 09/01/2007 3:17:13 PM PDT by stand watie ("Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God." - T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: puroresu
As an older student who has returned to school to get a graduate degree, I am amazed at what my classmates don't know.

Your second paragraph is exactly how they understand our history. I had one fellow student tell me that the only terrorists in the world were Americans. I wanted to slap her flat.

537 posted on 09/01/2007 3:19:28 PM PDT by carton253 (And if that time does come, then draw your swords and throw away the scabbards.)
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To: puroresu; All
also, TRUE!

i frequently get asked to talk to HS & college students (i sometimes teach a course or two on AI culture/the WBTS at our local community college, since i became semiretired.)about the WBTS from the "southern prospective".

SADLY, many students have NO idea WHEN the war was, WHAT it was about and/or WHO any of the leaders were.(even lincoln is just "the guy on the $5.oo bill". some don't even know that he was POTUS!)

fwiw, i "lay the blame" on the "pubic screwl edumakashun sistim" for their IGNORANCE. (i would bet a month's salary that MORE high school "students" know that britiney spears doesn't wear underpants than who GEORGE WASHINGTON was!)

NOTE to ALL: IF you have school-age children, get to the school & find out WHAT they are "teaching" your child. you will be HORRIFIED!!!

free dixie,sw

538 posted on 09/01/2007 3:27:20 PM PDT by stand watie ("Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God." - T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia
No matter what anyone say, secession is not a legal issue to argue among lawyers. Secession is a political matter that requires a political solution.
Whatever the legal opinions, the leaders of the Southern states failed to realize that slavery could be preserved only within the federal union. And slavery could be ended only by a war, as no one believed that the Peculiar Institution could be abolished by any act except a constitutional amendment - which would have been all but impossible to pass in 1860.
Its all but impossible to imagine that the people of any group of states was as ill-served as Southerners were by their leaders in 1860.
The Southern states could have extracted from Lincoln any concession necessary to preserve slavery. Wasn’t his original 13th Amendment - proposed before the war began - designed to protect slavery? Whether he was serious about this amendment is unknown, but the South could have forced him into a political corner from which he would have found it difficult to escape. Instead, they betrayed the people they were elected to represent and blundered into a conflict they could not win. One might forgive the German people - they, after all, were led into WWII by Adolf Hitler - but the leaders of the South were a not a demented guttersnipe. They were educated intelligent men who should have known better. They did not act and destroyed the society they were to sworn to protect.
539 posted on 09/01/2007 3:35:47 PM PDT by quadrant
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To: quadrant
may i humbly suggest that you read post #525 for (at least some of) the TRUTH???

free dixie,sw

540 posted on 09/01/2007 3:41:53 PM PDT by stand watie ("Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God." - T. Jefferson, 1804)
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