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Young Americans too fat to fight
The Scotsman ^ | August 27, 2007 | Emily Wagster-Pettus in Biloxi, Mississippi

Posted on 08/27/2007 5:36:16 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

AN EPIDEMIC of obesity could have serious consequences for America's economy and its ability to defend itself, according to a leading politician.

Self-confessed "recovering foodaholic" Mike Huckabee, a Republican Party presidential candidate, told a group of governors from the American South that the increasing numbers of people who were either over-weight or obese meant more and more people were having to take time off work for health reasons.

And Mr Huckabee, who lost 110lb - nearly 8st - several years ago when he was governor of Arkansas, said he was concerned by reports that nearly two-thirds of American military personnel were overweight.

He questioned whether the nation's increasingly obese population would be able to defend itself "if we don't have enough people who are healthy enough to show up and pick up a backpack?"

The Southern Governors' Association convention heard that obesity was creating the first generation of Americans who might not live as long as their parents. Dr William Rowley, who was a vascular surgeon for 30 years and now works at the Institute for Alternative Futures, said 61 per cent of US active-duty military personnel are overweight.

Mr Huckabee, who is among a crowded pack of candidates in the Republican Party race, which also includes former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani, actor and former senator Fred Thompson and former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney, said the statistic disturbed him.

"You've got a serious situation with a generation of kids coming up so unhealthy they won't be able to pass the military physical," he said in an interview after the panel discussion.

"We keep talking about the war on terror - who's going to fight it if we don't have enough people who are healthy enough to show up and pick up a backpack?"

Mr Huckabee - who left office in January after having been governor since July 1996 - implemented a number of programmes to battle weight problems in Arkansas, including having state schools measure students' body fat.

But he worried that not enough was being done to ensure children growing up in the US today were living healthy lifestyles.

"Let me ask this question: who's going to fight it in the future if we're a generation so sick that we don't have the capacity to show up for work?" Mr Huckabee said.

The governor of Mississippi, Haley Barbour, also a Republican, said during the panel discussion that the eight fattest states in the nation were all in the South. He questioned whether diet was a factor in areas of the country where fried chicken is part of the culture.

"I don't know that fried chicken has anything to do with it," Mr Barbour said. "We weren't raised eating right in the South, but the good news is we can do something about it."

Health has been an early issue in Republican debates.

On Friday, Mr Romney said the government had to help to ensure everyone was covered by health insurance.

He announced healthcare initiatives that would deregulate the insurance market, cap malpractice claims and make sure everyone was insured.

Instead of using federal money to reimburse hospitals for treating people without insurance, he said he wanted the money to be used to help low- income people buy insurance at a lower cost.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Arkansas; US: Mississippi; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: airforce; armedforces; army; coastguard; diet; exercise; fat; fatsoalert; gop; haleybarbour; healthinsurance; illness; landwhales; marines; mikehuckabee; military; navy; nutrition; obese; obesity; overweight; republicans; schools; usmc; weightloss; youth
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To: dfwgator
The body indeed will produce (slightly) more insulin - but you have to look at how insulin is used. Insulin alone can't make you fat - it acts on glucose in the bloodstream to allow cells to burn or store the energy from glucose. In other words, insulin can't make you fat without a corresponding food source.

Take two people side by side, eating the same amount, and engaging in the same activities. If one of them has chronically higher insulin levels, they will probably be slightly heavier. To be 350 pounds heavier would require insulin AND Ho-Hos.
81 posted on 08/27/2007 12:02:28 PM PDT by beezdotcom
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To: jude24; OrthodoxPresbyterian
I could eat at the McDonalds Dollar menu for less than what it costs me to make a healthy dinner.

It's all part of the sinister Master Plan. They fatten up the population of Western countries, nice and plump and succulent.

Next thing you know, there are Martian killing-machines rampaging everywhere, killing and eating our beknighted citizens who are too fat to run away. Not just more of your usual illegal aliens. Hungry, starving illegal aliens. Really, really, alien aliens.

Well, they won't get me. I stay slim so I don't have enough meat to make myself a tasty meal in the coming Martian Massacre of the Fatties.
82 posted on 08/27/2007 12:03:44 PM PDT by George W. Bush (Rudy: tough on terror, scared of Iowa, wets himself over YouTube)
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To: Sandreckoner

Wrong. Studies show that it’s my virus (glands, genetics, karma, bad relationships, etc.) that makes me overweight ;-)


83 posted on 08/27/2007 12:06:39 PM PDT by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t think we are in a crisis. They changed the way they measure body fat index. President Bush is considered overweight according to the new chart. There are plenty of normal sized kids that will join the military. Besides Air Force and Navy are downsizing right now. Marines and Army are growing. It evens out.


84 posted on 08/27/2007 12:06:51 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: reagan_fanatic

I miss John Candy.


85 posted on 08/27/2007 12:08:19 PM PDT by Redcloak (The 2nd Amendment isn't about sporting goods.)
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To: George W. Bush; OrthodoxPresbyterian

This sounds like the plot of a movie that would be quite enjoyable under an altered mental state.


86 posted on 08/27/2007 12:08:52 PM PDT by jude24 (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Dead Dog

There are almost no fat people in Scandinavia. I’d be willing to bet a lot of the fatbodies were tourists!


87 posted on 08/27/2007 12:12:54 PM PDT by t_skoz ("let me be who I am - let me kick out the jams!")
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To: beezdotcom
In other words, insulin can't make you fat without a corresponding food source.

Correct. But I think what ends up happening is that when food is eaten, it is immediately stored as fat, and this would not happen if the person drank water, instead of the diet soda. So yes, diet soda alone would not make you fat, but it can contribute.

88 posted on 08/27/2007 12:12:56 PM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Take away the computers.

I never see kids playing in the street. No bike riding, football, baseball, hockey. Never.

They are busy in chat rooms instead of exercising.


89 posted on 08/27/2007 12:13:12 PM PDT by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: George W. Bush
Of course, I went to the store today to grab up a couple giant bags of Almond M&Ms so that I could pound an couple of thousand extra calories in. It's just something some slim people have to do, not something the rest of you should ever make a habit of.

Remind me to tell an imam that your name is Salman Rushdie.
90 posted on 08/27/2007 12:13:58 PM PDT by beezdotcom
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To: jude24
This sounds like the plot of a movie that would be quite enjoyable under an altered mental state.

I can't take credit. I kind of plagiarized one of OPie's posts from this morning. Somehow, I haven't been able to get it out of my mind and had to post on it again and again (and see Opie's post #1 on that thread for a real hoot). LOL.
91 posted on 08/27/2007 12:15:31 PM PDT by George W. Bush (Rudy: tough on terror, scared of Iowa, wets himself over YouTube)
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To: dfwgator
Correct. But I think what ends up happening is that when food is eaten, it is immediately stored as fat, and this would not happen if the person drank water, instead of the diet soda. So yes, diet soda alone would not make you fat, but it can contribute.

SOME of it is stored MORE quickly as fat. I already said it can contribute. But seriously....do you honestly, HONESTLY think this is the primary reason your sister is 500 pounds? That's the kind of argument that comes from co-dependency...
92 posted on 08/27/2007 12:17:33 PM PDT by beezdotcom
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To: ichabod1
Once a fatty always a fatty.

Once an idiot.. Oh never mind.

93 posted on 08/27/2007 12:17:37 PM PDT by cspackler (There are 10 kinds of people in this world, those who understand binary and those who don't.)
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To: dfwgator

sorry...not YOUR sister, THEIR sister...but same question...


94 posted on 08/27/2007 12:18:25 PM PDT by beezdotcom
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To: beezdotcom

I’m not the original poster with the sister, but my point was, people that think they should lose weight because they drink diet soda, may be in for a rude disappointment.


95 posted on 08/27/2007 12:19:40 PM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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To: beezdotcom

I guess the crux of my point is that, it’s better to not rely on sugar substitutes to lose weight, if possible.


96 posted on 08/27/2007 12:21:38 PM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Its not fried chicken. It is sugar. I have lost 20 lbs simply by skipping the sweets on the weekdays. I allow myself a couple of desserts on the weekends and I skip the bedtime snacks. That’s it. Simplest diet there ever was.


97 posted on 08/27/2007 12:24:02 PM PDT by Drawsing (The fool shows his annoyance at once. The prudent man overlooks an insult. (Proverbs 12:16))
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To: George W. Bush
I know a few morbidly obese friends who I've never caught porking it out.

The key word there is "caught".

98 posted on 08/27/2007 12:30:19 PM PDT by Drawsing (The fool shows his annoyance at once. The prudent man overlooks an insult. (Proverbs 12:16))
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To: dfwgator
but my point was, people that think they should lose weight because they drink diet soda, may be in for a rude disappointment.

Oh, sure, it's no panacea. But there is still some math to be done.

For example, if you already have an 8-soda-a-day habit, you'll probably lose some weight by switching to diet. You probably won't lose as much as if you had just switched to water. This is partly because the increased insulin response will create a little "giveback" (not a huge amount), and riding on top of that will be a spike in the appetite because you just bottomed out your glucose levels via the insulin response - so you'll still end up sneaking a Twinkie.

Therefore, it's usually trading 8 regular sodas for 8 diet sodas and N twinkies, and your value of N often makes the difference. (People who manage to avoid the Twinkies usually swap 8 regular sodas for 16 diet sodas, so that they're too bloated to sneak a lot of Twinkies.)
99 posted on 08/27/2007 12:30:24 PM PDT by beezdotcom
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To: Drawsing
I know a few morbidly obese friends who I've never caught porking it out. The key word there is "caught":

Junk Food Junkie - Larry Groce

You know I love that organic cooking
I always ask for more
And they call me Mr. Natural
On down to the health food store
I only eat good sea salt
White sugar don't touch my lips
And my friends is always
Begging me to take them
On macrobiotic trips
Yes, they are

Oh, but at night I stake out my strongbox
That I keep under lock and key
And I take it off to my closet
Where nobody else can see
I open that door so slowly
Take a peek up north and south
Then I pull out a Hostess Twinkie
And I pop it in my mouth

Yeah, in the daytime I'm Mr. Natural
Just as healthy as I can be
But at night I'm a junk food junkie
Good lord have pity on me

Well, at lunchtime
You can always find me
At the Whole Earth Vitamin Bar
Just sucking on my plain white yogurt
From my hand thrown pottery jar
And sippin' a little hand pressed cider
With a carrot stick for dessert
And wiping my face
In a natural way
On the sleeve of my peasant shirt
Oh yeah

Ah, but when that clock strikes midnight
And I'm all by myself
I work that combination
On my secret hideaway shelf
And I pull out some Fritos corn chips
Dr. Pepper and an Ole Moon Pie
Then I sit back in glorious expectation
Of a genuine junk food high

Oh yeah, in the daytime I'm Mr. Natural
Just as healthy as I can be
But at night I'm a junk food junkie
Good lord have pity on me

My friends down at the commune
They think I'm pretty neat
Oh, I don't know nothing about arts and crafts
But I give 'em all something to eat
I'm a friend to old Euell Gibbons
And I only eat homegrown spice
I got a John Keats autographed Grecian urn
Filled up with my brown rice
Yes, I do

Oh, but folks lately I have been spotted
With a Big Mac on my breath
Stumbling into a Colonel Sanders
With a face as white as death
I'm afraid someday they'll find me
Just stretched out on my bed
With a handful of Pringles Potato Chips
And a Ding Dong by my head

In the daytime I'm Mr. Natural
Just as healthy as I can be
But at night I'm a junk food junkie
Good lord have pity on me

100 posted on 08/27/2007 12:46:45 PM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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