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Feinstein to call for abolishing Electoral College
YubaNet.com ^ | 8/25/07 | Feinstein office

Posted on 08/26/2007 3:06:50 PM PDT by melt

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To: TomGuy

The largest cities already have major input: just look at the election results by county map for 2004 and who certain states electoral votes went to.

Neither system is perfect but a democracy is winning elections by popular vote.


61 posted on 08/26/2007 4:02:39 PM PDT by abercrombie_guy_38
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To: Political Junkie Too
"This proposed California initiative is very dangerous – it is an attempt to tinker with state law in order to influence the outcome of national Presidential elections," Senator Feinstein said.

She wants to treat all of California as though it were just one big city. Really just Caesarism: Julius Caesar ruled Rome not just by threat of military force but because he controlled the "wards" through bosses. Shows the perniciousness of the " one-man, one-vote concept which the Democrats through bloc voting can control everything.

62 posted on 08/26/2007 4:02:39 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: melt

I thought Hillary promised to do that in 2001.


63 posted on 08/26/2007 4:03:47 PM PDT by Perdogg (Cheney for President 2008)
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To: melt

There simply could NOT be a worse idea. Unless you favor the speeding up of the slide to socialism.

Senator Feinstein is completely and thoroughly WRONG to start this crap.


64 posted on 08/26/2007 4:05:22 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet -Fred'08)
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To: FightThePower!
I have a feeling were headed toward another civil war, but the next one will be rural conservatives vs. urban liberals.

See this earlier posting of mine:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1882512/posts?page=42#42

- John

65 posted on 08/26/2007 4:14:02 PM PDT by Fishrrman
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To: BenLurkin

First, there is no popular vote because there is not a single election AND because each state uses different procedures for counting and not counting votes. As crazy as it may seem, some states—California is one of them—do not count absentee ballots if the number of absentee ballots is less than the plurality by which the person was victorious. California uses that method because counting absentee ballots is costly and time-consuming because they have to be handled individually. If those votes had to be counted, because they would have a bearing on her one election for President, God help us. We would have chaos because people in other states would have a vested interest in how California counts or doesn’t count its votes.

What Dumanne Feignstein seems not to realize is what she thinks is the presidential election is not the presidential election. The presidential election occurs in each state’s capital when the electors, all 535 of them, cast their ballots for president (and vice president). What she mistakenly believes is the presidential election is an election for those electors.

We do not—as Dumb Ann Feignstein continues to spout—live in a democracy. We live in a democratic (that’s an adjective Dianne) republic (that’s a noun Dianne.)


67 posted on 08/26/2007 4:17:39 PM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel
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To: yldstrk
Evil idea.

Just ask the Phillipinos who just established an electoral college because by popular vote they ended up with a popular movie star for a President.......


LOL. Oops.

If the US went down that hole, in ten years we'd have Lindsay Lohan running on a platform of "free coke, cosmos and i-phones for everyone". She'd probably win.
68 posted on 08/26/2007 4:17:54 PM PDT by khnyny (The best minds are not in government. If they were, business would hire them away. Ronald Reagan)
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To: melt

When pigs fly....B***H!


69 posted on 08/26/2007 4:18:20 PM PDT by Panzerlied ("We shall never surrender!")
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To: txzman
God help America - too many ignorant fools don’t understand the repercussions. Feinstein does - she knows its a sure fire way of making sure “promise it all” Liberals can win consistently.

All elections if this passes will be decided by welfare immigrants in LA, Chicago, New York, Houston, Boston, Miami - gee that’s about it.


Hey, it worked in Venezuela...
70 posted on 08/26/2007 4:20:19 PM PDT by khnyny (The best minds are not in government. If they were, business would hire them away. Ronald Reagan)
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To: melt
“Feinstein to call for abolishing Electoral College”

Sure she does, then we could elect all of our Presidents with just the votes of urban leftists and we wouldn’t have to worry about all those pesky voters that don’t live in major cities, nor the Republicans they, in their infinite rube ignorance, vote for.

71 posted on 08/26/2007 4:23:05 PM PDT by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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To: Proud2BeRight
“Why is the Constitution such a problem to Democrats?”

Because it doesn’t support the Communist tyranny that they prefer. Far, far too much power to the great unwashed people.

72 posted on 08/26/2007 4:26:45 PM PDT by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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To: melt

If the Democrats win the White House, they’ll move heaven and earth to keep it, even if it means no more elections.


73 posted on 08/26/2007 4:26:48 PM PDT by Spok
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To: BenLurkin

Agreed!


74 posted on 08/26/2007 4:26:58 PM PDT by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs A Soldier)
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To: melt
"There is no question that our system of electing a President is outmoded, but this initiative is not the way to do it."

Translation: "This initiative costs the Democrats electoral votes so we must reject it."

"I believe that the Electoral College must be abolished, and that the President be elected through direct popular election."

Translation: "The Electoral College blunts the Democrats' efforts to commit massive vote fraud in inner city neighborhoods so we must abolish it."

75 posted on 08/26/2007 4:30:23 PM PDT by Tall_Texan (Global warming? Hell, in Texas, we just call that "summer".)
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To: melt

Fienstein is saying this to scare Republicans into thinking that if the GOP gets its way in California it means that paves the way for the whole country to change as well. Common people let’s be smart we can have our cake and eat it too, the
California proposal could very well save us from a Hillary admin


76 posted on 08/26/2007 4:31:06 PM PDT by abc123alphabetagamma
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To: donna
Bingo. What DiFi is really advocating is that the large urban Dem strongholds should elect the President, and eliminate yet one more vestige of State power in the balance. It would be as disasterous as making Senators popularly elected has been. As they say, one picture is worth 1000 words:


77 posted on 08/26/2007 4:35:02 PM PDT by LexBaird (Tyrannosaurus Lex, unapologetic carnivore)
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To: melt
Feinstein = snob, fool
Pure democracy = mob rule

Leni

78 posted on 08/26/2007 4:36:59 PM PDT by MinuteGal (Three Cheers for the FRed, White and Blue !)
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To: melt
I believe that the Electoral College must be abolished, and that the President be elected through direct popular election."

Perhaps Feinstein's misundertanding of federalism comes from the 17th amendment.

The President is not the ruler of the people, he is the head of the federation between the states. The governors are the leaders of the people.

Just as Senators were to be selected by state legislatures to represent the states in the Congress, Presidents were to also be selected by the states to oversee common defense, foreign affairs, and relations between the states.

The 17th amendment replaced state appointment of Senators with popular election, and repealing the Electoral College will replace state selection of the President with popular election, too.

-PJ

79 posted on 08/26/2007 4:40:07 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (Repeal the 17th amendment -- it's the "Fairness Doctrine" for Congress!)
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To: Bob
That's the idea behind an initiative that's gotten going out here.

The problem being that doing it by popular initiative is probably unconstitutional. The manner of selection is given solely to the State legislatures.

Article 2, Sec 1: "Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors..."

80 posted on 08/26/2007 4:41:15 PM PDT by LexBaird (Tyrannosaurus Lex, unapologetic carnivore)
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