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1 posted on 08/25/2007 12:09:31 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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B U M P


2 posted on 08/25/2007 12:18:40 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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Not just bad, but terrible...

Why should the federal government bail out people who cannot afford their homes? Who bails them out next year and the next and the...

Look, people who can afford mortgage payments will pay them. Those who can’t won’t be able today, next month, next year or ten years from now.

Face the music. Get on with your life. Don’t be so gullible next time. Chalk it up to life experience.


3 posted on 08/25/2007 12:20:02 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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Bill Gross is self-identified “lib”-ertarian, who wants a bailout not for homeowners but for himself, as he is sitting on largest stockpile of US bonds - if interest rates are lowered by Fed, their value goes up and he stands to make a bundle in a very short period of time.


4 posted on 08/25/2007 12:21:27 AM PDT by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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No new amnesties. No new taxes. No new giveaways. No new bailouts. It's not yours to give.
5 posted on 08/25/2007 12:22:17 AM PDT by sourcery (fRed Dawn: Wednesday, 5 November 2008!)
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EXTREMELY bad Idea.

Dang. I don’t think I can highlight just one of those issues.

Nobody seems to be responsible for anything, anymore.

However, I’m responsible for my commas. ;o)


6 posted on 08/25/2007 12:26:43 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 (There ought to be one day-- just one-- when there is open season on senators. ~~ Will Rogers)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

B.S. panic alert from a dubious source; U.S. “liberal”
News and Socialist Report.

Bad timing as the July report shows a 2.8% jump
in new home starts. The sub-prime sector is nominal.
Sorry, Mr. Zuckerman. The pro-Clinton Article is hogwash!


7 posted on 08/25/2007 12:28:04 AM PDT by ChiMark
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Now PIMCO's Bill Gross, perhaps the most well-known bond fund manager in the world, is giving President Bush and the GOP some advice. He wants the government to start cutting checks to struggling homeowners

F#$% that.

8 posted on 08/25/2007 12:31:29 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (“Jesus Saves. Moses Delivers. Cthulu Reposesses...”)
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I for one would be outraged.

The people that bought these homes with nothing down have little to lose. That have little invested. On the other hand we have stupid lenders that lent money where they shouldn’t have and created this mess to begin with. They should pay the consequences. After all they did it in the first place to make more money. Their greed got them where they are. Now comes reality. To erase the consequences for their greed only invites more of the same at others expense. A big fat NO!

9 posted on 08/25/2007 12:34:29 AM PDT by DB
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"This is your moment to one-up Barney Frank and the Democrats."

Good grief! Is this assclown Gross serious?
He wants the GOP to be more socialist than the rats and pander to society's losers in order to buy their votes??

(rubbing eyes) This HAS to be a joke.

13 posted on 08/25/2007 12:39:49 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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Fred Thomspon v Obama or Hilary puts California in play, but trying to buy it is as useless as trying to ‘reach out to the Latino vote’ through amnesty.


14 posted on 08/25/2007 12:41:51 AM PDT by kingu (No, I don't use sarcasm tags - it confuses people.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The only way the government can bail out the risk takers is by "printing more money". Printing more money = inflation. Inflcation = sucking the value out of every saved dollar (including all the dollars those Chinese are sitting on, BTW).

Meanwhile, wages and the cost of goods and services go up. This means that homeowners are now paying their mortgages with much cheaper dollars, which ain't so bad. Those sitting on money today are forced to invest in order to (hopefully) compensate for the ravages of inflation.

If I'm Bill Gates I don't care for it a bit. If I'm on a fixed income I feel vulnerable to the government's largess. If I'm Joe Sixpack I hate it - but only because I haven't thought it all the way through and hate watching prices go up. If I'm a business owner I just raise my prices (the very definition of inflation) - besides, it's great having all these rich investors looking good business opportunities.

Whether one should be concerned is simply a function of their circumstances.

15 posted on 08/25/2007 12:43:48 AM PDT by The Duke (I have met the enemy, and he is named 'Apathy'!)
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Seriously is this being illustrated as Bush winning/bailing out all the young voters involved in construction/mortgage/speculation business?

More so this is an argument on what level of risk the Government (ie/you and me) will back/buy.

Mae and Mac were well done. They are not the argument to add Curly in this market.


18 posted on 08/25/2007 12:51:45 AM PDT by SShultz460
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I’m sorry however I voted for W twice

He (GW) needs to distance himself from the GOP and try to let us rebuild what he destroyed.


20 posted on 08/25/2007 1:06:12 AM PDT by Dov in Houston (The word Amnesty invokes a passion in me. Illegal immigrants are criminals. Supporters Aid & Abet)
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REAL bad idea.


21 posted on 08/25/2007 1:31:30 AM PDT by singfreedom ("Victory at all costs,.....for without victory there is no survival." Winston Churchill)
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PIMCO's Bill Gross : This is your moment to one-up Barney Frank and the Democrats.

So the GOP can "save itself" by "one upping" a great lot of rotten socialists? That's going to endure the GOP to it's conservative base, the same base that didn't even bother to show up at the last election because the GOP was acting too much like corrupted socialists?

Great thinking there...

Now I know why I constantly run across articles like these regarding Bill Gross:

June 13, 2007 Pimco's Bill Gross has been grossly off

Quote : "Why am I so entertained by Gross's predictions? Because if you look at Bill Gross's track record as a market prognosticator, the reaction to the PIMCO don's latest call should be hoots of laughter, not a panic to sell. In fact, for the past few years, you could have made plenty of dough betting on the opposite of whatever Big Bill said was about to happen."

LOL!

23 posted on 08/25/2007 2:08:32 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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A bailout would be a bad idea imo, not only punishing conservative investors... but I think it would slow down future economic growth. Recessions and sometimes even mass bankruptcies in corporations are a good thing in the long run.

The strong will survive, new companies without intractable bureaucracy will get a chance to rise up, capital will be allocated to those who can make better use of it!

For me the fact President Bush hasn't done anything really ups him in my book... and makes me happy to have voted for him twice. And his choice for the federal reserve Bernake seems to have a level head about him, and carefully thinking through his actions. Versus the ECB which seems to have panicked nearly.

25 posted on 08/25/2007 2:34:05 AM PDT by ran20
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Ownership of a home is, in terms of eternity, a deception. It is really borrowed money for 30 years, and then the owner is in his 50’s or 60’s when it is paid off.

The real truth is that it is borrowed time. You don’t get it and neither does anyone else.

For everyone gets to die and after that there’s a judgment.

And you can’t take it with you.

Vanity & deception. Better for a “homeowner” with a bad loan and a low income to rent. We’re all just renting anyway.


27 posted on 08/25/2007 4:04:09 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain And Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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When he pushed for a tax hike back in 1993 to cut the budget deficit, it was under the assumption that bond investors would respond by bringing down interest rates. (The theory here is that deficits are inflationary. Inflation is bad for bonds.) Yet long-term interest rates surged from 6.45 percent when Clinton signed his tax-hike bill on Aug. 10, 1993, to 8.16 percent on Nov. 7, 1994, the day before the midterm congressional election where Republicans won back the House and Senate.

I remember you just mentioned this recently. Maybe a better assumption is that tax hikes are inflationary.

30 posted on 08/25/2007 5:10:35 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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The last politician who took advice from the bond market was Bill Clinton.

The article is contradictory. Did Bubba make a bad assumption or did he take bad acvice? Otherwise, I think using the bond market as an indicator is a pretty good idea. And apparently so does the author, who cites the jump in rates after the tax increase.

32 posted on 08/25/2007 5:13:56 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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Who would take advice from a guy who is the head of a corporation called PIMPCO?

Oops! It’s PIMCO. My bad!!!


35 posted on 08/25/2007 5:56:33 AM PDT by no dems (Dear God, how long are you going to let Ted Kennedy and Fidel Castro live?)
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