Posted on 08/23/2007 9:58:47 AM PDT by SirLinksalot
There are probably some Arabs who are descended from Jacob, too, and whose ancestors put away their Jewish ethnicity and took up an Arab one.
Islam is a pagan, religion which has coopted some bits from Judaism and Christianity. So in that sense Islam is connected with Judaism and Christianity.
This is how Mohemmed got his Revelations (I write this in addition to what you said.. I'm not disagreeing):
This is the Islamic account of how Moh. received his first visions... remember, this what the Muslims themselves believe: the rest (including the full-of-contempt-for-Islam commentary) is excerpted from Prophet of Doom
[This is a Hadith]
Bukhari:V1B1N3-V6B60N478 "The commencement of divine inspiration to Allah’s Messenger was in the form of dreams that came true like a bright light. The Prophet loved the seclusion of a cave in Hira. The angel came to him and asked him to read. The Prophet replied, 'I do not know how to read.' The Prophet added, 'Then the angel caught me forcefully and pressed me so hard that I could not bear it any more. He released me and asked me to read. I replied, "I do not know how to read." Thereupon he caught me again and pressed me till I could not bear it any more. He asked me to read but I replied, "I do not know how to read or what shall I read?" Thereupon he caught me for the third time and pressed me, "Read in the name of your Lord who has created man from a clot. Read! Your Lord is the most generous." Then the Apostle returned from that experience; the muscles between his neck and shoulders were trembling, and his heart beating severely. He went to Khadija and cried, 'Cover me! Cover me.' She did until his fear subsided. He said, 'What’s wrong with me? I am afraid that something bad has happened to me.' Khadija replied, 'Never! By Allah, Allah will never disgrace you....'"
[This is from the Sira... (The Sira along with the Hadith and Koran form the corpus of Islam's holy texts)] Ishaq:105 "Aisha said that when Allah desired to honor Muhammad, the first sign of prophethood was a vision in brightness of day shown to him in his sleep. [In other words, he was dreaming.] He liked nothing better than to be alone. When he left Mecca and there was no house in sight, every stone and tree that passed by said, 'Peace be unto you, Allah’s Apostle.' Muhammad would turn around and see naught but trees and stones. [In other words, he was stoned.] He stayed seeing and hearing things as long as it pleased Allah. Then Gabriel came to him with the gift of Allah’s grace [the spiritual beating] while he was on Hira in the month of Ramadhan. The Apostle would pray in seclusion on Hira every year for a month to practice Tahannuth as was the custom of the Quraysh in the heathen days. [In other words, Muhammad was a heathen and the Islamic Pillar requiring Ramadhan fasting was pagan.] Tahannuth is religious devotion [to pagan idols]. After praying in seclusion, he would walk around the Ka'aba seven times. [The centerpiece of the Hajj Pillar is pagan as well.]"
Ishaq:106 "The Prophet set off to Hira with his family. When it was night, Gabriel brought him the command of Allah. 'He came to me,' the Apostle said, 'while I was asleep, with a coverlet of brocade whereon was some writing, and said, 'Read.' I said, 'What shall I read.' He pressed me so tightly that I was near death. Then he let go and said, 'Read!'" This happens twice more, then... "When I thought I was nearly dead I said, 'What shall I read; only to deliver myself from him, lest he should do the same thing to me again. He said, 'Read in the name of your Lord who created man of blood coagulated. Read! Your generous Lord taught by the pen.'" Then the illiterate man said, "So I read it, and he departed from me. I awoke from my sleep. These words were written on my heart."
Ishaq reports: "None of Allah’s creatures was more hateful to me than an ecstatic poet or a man possessed. I thought, 'Woe is me, I'm a possessed poet.'" The worst thing that can befall a man or woman is to be possessed by the devil. He or she loses all sense of decency. To his credit, Muhammad recognized what had happened. To his shame, he damned three billion souls along with his own.
Ishaq:106 "I will go to the top of the mountain and throw myself down that I may kill myself and be at rest." There was no doubt in his mind. During the violent encounter with the spirit in the darkness of that cave, Muhammad had been possessed by the Devil. He wanted to commit suicide - something that Satan could not allow. He had big plans for his prophet.
Ishaq:106 "So I climbed to the mountain to kill myself when I heard a voice saying, 'Muhammad, you are Allah’s Apostle.' I raised my head to see who was speaking and lo, I saw Gabriel in the form of a man with feet astride the horizon." How, pray tell, would our terrified and possessed poet distinguish between Gabriel and Lucifer? And since the first revelation was sinister, that’s a problem.
Bukhari:V9B87N113 "The Prophet said, 'A good dream is from Allah, and a bad dream is from Satan.'"
By his own account, this was a bad dream.
The muslim god wants you to send your son to die in the act of killing others.
Bump to re-read
Everybody in the ME probably has some connection with everybody else in the ME. In the sense of Islam being an Arab superiority cult (which is what it is), perhaps one could say it is “Abrahamic.”
But in the sense of being one of the religions founded by the God of Abraham, etc., it’s not. Mohammed was a syncretist who took bits of Old Testament law and ritual, some OT figures, a few figures from Christianity, and lots of superstions, practices and cult objects from paganism. That does not an “Abrahamic religion” make.
are subjected to the hard science of archaeology.
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LOL sorry but archaeology is one of the fuzziest fields of study
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Prophet_of_Doom_11_Satans_Bargain.Islam
I was going to paste some here... but it wasn’t practical.
Here’s the meat of that section (you can see why I had trouble pasting something.... there’s too much to paste):
There is but one explanation for this omission. Muhammad was still referring to his god as Ar-Rahman, the deity of the Yemeni Hanifs. Those who codified the Qur’an decades later simply swapped Ar-Rahman’s name out of some of the later Meccan surahs and replaced it with Allah. This change is confirmed by a Hadith contemporaneous to these events: Ishaq:162 “Abu Jahl met the Apostle and said, ‘By Allah, Muhammad, you will either stop cursing our gods or we will curse the god you serve.’ So the Qur’an verse was revealed, ‘Do not insult those [gods] to whom they pray lest they curse God wrongfully through lack of knowledge.’ [Qur’an 6:108] I have been told that the Apostle then refrained from cursing their gods, and began to call them to Allah [rather than Ar-Rahman].” The critical word is: “began.”
Tabari VI:107/Ishaq:165 “Walid, As, Aswad, and Umayyah said, ‘Muhammad, come and let us worship that which you worship and you worship what we worship. We shall combine in the matter and shall make you a partner in all our undertakings. [The Ka’aba Inc. - the legacy of Qusayy’s religious scam was still the principle game in town.] If what you have brought is better than what we already have, we will be partners with you and take our share, and if what we have is better than what you have, you shall be a partner with us in what we have, and you shall have your share of it.” Their schemes were virtually indistinguishable. They were only squabbling over ownership.
Muhammad’s immediate response to the Quraysh Bargain should tell us all we need to know about Islam’s lone prophet. He didn’t say no. He hesitated, and was clearly tempted to worship Al-Lat and Al-Uzza if it meant money, sex, and power. “Let me see what revelation comes to me from my Lord [not Allah].’ he replied.”
Although I can’t prove it using the Islamic Traditions, in my opinion, Muhammad went to his aging wife Khadija and asked her what she thought he should do. After all, she had been the founder of Islam - the inspiration behind the Profitable Prophet Plan. I think Khadija scuttled the deal. More wives would have been competition. And although she would have relished the prestige of being a shareholder in the Ka’aba Inc, what was she going to do with more money? She was over seventy years old and near death.
So Khadija nixed the deal: “Then, the following inspiration came from the Preserved Tablet: ‘Say: O disbelievers! I worship not that which you worship; nor do you worship that which I worship, And I shall not worship that which you worship, nor will you worship that which I worship. To you your religion and to me my religion.’” Sorry Tabari, I know that is what the Hadith says but it just ain’t so. The 109th surah, from which this revelation was quoted, was among the first handed down. It was revealed a decade before this bargain was struck. So what really happened?
Khadija died (or was killed), and Muhammad accepted the deal. The very next line in The History of al-Tabari, Muhammad at Mecca, confirms my theory: “Satan Cast a False Revelation on the Messenger of Allah’s Tongue.” Possessed by the Devil, Muhammad chose poorly. He succumbed to his demonic urgings and began to worship Al-Lat and Al-Uzza. He was finished as a prophet.
While the Islamic spin-meisters in Baghdad tried their best to put lipstick on this camel, the whole affair was as ugly as it was deadly. No matter how valiantly they attempted to excuse Muhammad’s behavior, a pig in makeup is still a swine. Tabari VI:107 “The Messenger was eager for the welfare of his people and wished to effect reconciliation with them in whatever way he could. It is said he wanted to find a way to do this, and what happened was as follows:” Before we wallow in what follows, I’d like to poke a hole in the excuse. Muhammad’s people were long gone. He had sent them off to Abyssinia for fear they would be seduced. And the notion of reconciling himself to the pagans is laughable. Muhammad had done nothing but harangue them for a decade now, calling them names barely suitable for print. When they teased him he said, “I will bring you slaughter.” Sorry, Muslim apologists, I don’t think so.
The isnad, or chain of reciters, introducing the Hadith reads: “Ibn Mumayd-Salamah-Muhammad Ibn Ishaq-Yazid bin Ziyad al-Madani-Muhammad bin Ka’b al-Qurazi:” I share this because of what happened to Salman Rushdie. He wrote a novel based upon what these champions of Islam had to say. Muslims went berserk. They had Rushdie’s book banned and panned. They nailed Satanic Verses to crosses and burned it during hostile rioting. The Ayatollah Khomeni, the leader of the Islamic world at the time, put a fatwa on Rushdie, offering his fellow Muslims a million dollars for the writer’s head.
Yet Rushdie had merely exposed Islam’s own Traditions. So why get mad at him? Was Muhammad so perverse and Islam so corrupt that modern clerics have to hide the truth for their doctrine to survive? Apparently, yes.
This is what follows: Tabari VI:108/Ishaq:165 “The Messenger saw his tribe turn on him. He was pained to see them shunning the message he had brought from Allah. So he [abandoned both his message and his god because he] longed for something that would reconcile his tribe to him. With his love for his tribe and his anxiety over this it would have delighted him if the obstacle which had made his task so difficult could be removed [so he could accept their generous offer of power, sex, and money].” The only points of contention, thus obstacles to reconciliation, were: Ka’aba custodianship, the number of gods, and the top god’s identity (Allah or Ar-Rahman).
“So Muhammad debated with himself and fervently desired such an outcome. Then Allah revealed: ‘By the Star when it sets, your comrade does not err, nor is he deceived; nor does he speak out of his own desire. [In truth, he did all three and was about to prove his guilt.] And when he came to the words: ‘Have you thought about Al-Lat, Al-Uzza and Manat.’ Satan, when he was meditating upon it and desiring to bring reconciliation, cast on his tongue, because of his inner longings and what he desired, the words: ‘These are exalted high-flying cranes (goddesses). Verily their intercession is accepted with approval.” Simply stated, Muhammad said, “I accept the Quraysh Bargain.”
But at what cost? The Qur’anic recitals had been filled with assertions that there were no intercessors. And four gods were at least three too many for a monotheistic religion. Muhammad had therefore abandoned the central plank of his mission: “There is no ilah but Allah.” Islam was no longer monotheistic. What’s more, the prophet’s grandiose and Messianic claim of being Allah’s intercessor was pummeled, stoned by a trio of rock idols. And that wasn’t the worst of it. Islam’s lone spokesperson had just aligned himself with Satan.
It’s little wonder the Ayatollah wanted Rushdie’s book burned. It’s little wonder the Qur’an urges Muslims not to pry too deeply into Islam or ask questions. The truth is devastating. The Quraysh Bargain and Satanic Verses confirm that Muhammad was demon possessed and that the Qur’an was “inspired” to advance his personal agenda. These Hadiths prove Islam was a fraud, as counterfeit as a $3 bill. What’s more, the Profitable Prophet Plan has been elevated from highly probable to undeniable.
But the Islamic Hadith was not finished burying its prophet. Tabari VI:108/Ishaq:166 “When the Quraysh heard this, they rejoiced and were delighted at the way in which he spoke of their gods, and they listened to him. While the Muslims, trusting their Prophet in respect to the messages which he brought, did not suspect him of a vain desire or slip. When he came to the prostration, having completed the surah, he prostrated himself and the Muslims did likewise, obeying his command and following his example.” Now you know the reason why the world is in such a mess. A demon-possessed man sought to satiate his vain desires, and billions, failing to suspect his fraud, followed his example and obeyed his commands.
If you are a Muslim reading these words, flee this delusion before it’s too late. This despicable man and his demonic spirit are not worthy of your soul.
It is very important to name the G-d that you worship. I, for one, worship the G-d of Abraham, Issac and Jacob. I do not worship blindly the G-d of Abraham, because he fathered the arab nations as well. Allah was a consolidation of a mythical person muhammed, which may or may not have existed. (Show me the proof.) Most of the Hebrew Bible has been demonstrated both in fact and in historical recollection. Islamist never try to prove the historical existence of Muhammed, because there is no direct proof. When they supply the artifacts, as we have, then maybe I will start to listen.
Det. 4:34 “: Or hath God assayed to go and take him a nation from the midst of another nation, by temptations, by signs, and by wonders, and by war, and by a mighty hand, and by a stretched out arm, and by great terrors, according to all that the LORD your God did for you in Egypt before your eyes?
35: Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that the LORD he is God; there is none else beside him.
and Isaih 45:5 “- am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me:”
You sure could have fooled me.
They claim Allah is God and do the common form of deceit and say that it’s the same god, but it clearly isn’t.
It’s THEY and their supporters who say it, not any Christians that I know.
In all my religious education and Sundays spent in Church, I have somehow never heard this implacable piece of logic. Thanks!
The name in the Bible is actually “B’aal”. !!!
ping for later
“I take your point, but just as piece of information I do believe that love and fear of the creator are both componants of faith in Christianity and Judaism.”
Only in the sense that the fear of God is a choice that one makes and then lives for no other reason than that one wants to. Many people have no fear whatsoever of God and suffer in no apparent way for their lives.
12 posted on 08/23/2007 10:08:40 AM PDT by pacelvi (In general, Democrats are the only real reason to vote for Republicans. - Thomas Sowell)
Nice post!
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