Posted on 08/22/2007 7:13:57 AM PDT by ckilmer
Bush denies superstate rumours
August 22, 2007
By Jon Ward - MONTEBELLO, Quebec — President Bush and the leaders of Canada and Mexico yesterday ridiculed the notion that their countries are conspiring to create a regional supergovernment similar to the European Union.
"I'm amused by the difference between what actually takes place in the meetings and by what some are trying to say takes place," said Mr. Bush, responding to concerns raised by conservative and liberal groups and some U.S. lawmakers.
"It's quite comical actually, to realize the difference between reality and what some people on TV are talking about."
Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper joked that a superhighway rumored to be in the works linking the three countries could also be "interplanetary."
The two leaders and Mexican President Felipe Calderon spoke at a press conference here in a countryside resort, halfway between Ottawa and Montreal, to cap two days of meetings.
Mr. Bush said it is important for the U.S. to work with Canada and Mexico on facilitating trade while securing their borders, under the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America (SPP), a series of negotiations started in 2005.
Mr. Bush said the charges of a plot to form a North American Union were "political scare tactics."
"You lay out a conspiracy and then force some people to try to prove it doesn't exist. That's just the way some people operate," Mr. Bush said.
Mr. Harper said the trade talks were far more mundane than many realize, citing a morning meeting with business leaders at which one CEO complained that "the rules for jelly bean contents are different in Canada and the United States."
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lol
Is that Jorge’s ‘Matricular Consula card ?
Yeah, it's just like it except for the part where it is nothing like it.
“Yes. Create some decent jobs in Mexico and maybe they won’t flood in here.”
Where’ve you been. People have been using that line for at least twenty-five years. That’s what the maquilidora plants were supposed to accomplish a couple of decades ago. Then that was one of the reasons NAFTA just had to be passed in 1993 (?). Both those fantasies only made the illegal immigration problem worse (as opponents predicted), even after about three million US manufacturing jobs went south of the border.
Some are definitely into the trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result stage.
Until there’s drastic reform in Mexico, nothing will work, but I haven’t heard W say a word about what needs to change there.
The President doth protest too much, methinks
And if someone didn't write those lines for him I will eat his hat...
So, you support using US taxes to create jobs in Mexico.
I suspect that's all you think this agreement does. This agreement laid the foundation for the New Alliance Task Force.
No, not really. Too easy for illegals to abuse.
And yet, you support the man who created it and allows it to stay in place for illegals to abuse.
So far, no candidate has said that they will undo this, so the illegals will continue to abuse the program and US taxes are paying for it.
Any candidate you support will use your support as a mandate to continue programs such as this.
Yes. I’m against dual taxation on SS benefits.
Then you also support allowing Mexican illegal aliens to start collecting benefits after having worked illegally in the US for only 18 months, while US citizens have to work 10 years before becoming eligible to collect benefits.
This means you also support allowing the Mexican illegal alien to apply for, and receive benefits for their Mexican wife and children back home in Mexico.
Sure. We do it all anyway.
Your answer shows you have no idea what this agreement does.
Either way, if I had said yes or no to all those, it doesn’t even begin to constitute a “North American Union”.
You won't get to say yes or no to a North American Union. It's being formed behind your back by working groups that were formed by the above agreements.
Once upon a time Mr Bush had great credibility with me. Now he does not. Simply put, I no longer believe him. About anything. Time for him to go.
Comparing our President’s comments with Clinton’s slick words was way out of line.
Do you support the New Alliance Task Force? Yes
Do you support the Social Security Totalization Ageement with Mexico? No Do you support the Bilateral Strategic Plan agreement? Yes
I also support the Monroe Doctrine. When China becomes Panama's best friend and Iran becomes Venezuela's buddy, we have bigger problems than pipe dreams about a super highway.
“So, you support using US taxes to create jobs in Mexico.”
Why is using US tax dollars one way (fence and enforcement = band-aid) OK and using them another way, (establishing jobs and economical stability in Mexico = likely cure), not OK?
Too many people would rather attack the symptoms of the problem than the problem itself.
“And yet, you support the man who created it and allows it to stay in place for illegals to abuse.”
I do not support Jimmy Carter. This program was started in 1978. Mexico is way down the list of countries we have this agreement with. Why you single out Mexico is curious. Because they were recently added? Or because they are Mexicans?
“Your answer shows you have no idea what this agreement does.”
It’s a freaking customs agreement. Get over yourself.
“You won’t get to say yes or no to a North American Union. It’s being formed behind your back by working groups that were formed by the above agreements.”
Ah yes, the “secret cabal”. No conspiracy theory is complete without one.
God help you people.
Trust me——yeah right.
Comparing our President’s comments with Clinton’s slick words was way out of line.
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doesn’t sound like you’ve been paying attention.
“Why is using US tax dollars one way (fence and enforcement = band-aid) OK and using them another way, (establishing jobs and economical stability in Mexico = likely cure), not OK?”
A waste of time and money until major reforms take place in Mexico. This create jobs in Mexico strategy is decades old and we see how great it’s worked. See #64. The Maquiladora program and NAFTA were supposed to create those jobs and greatly reduce illegal immigration.
Stop accepting Mexico’s excess population and force them to solve their own problems.
This is like Clinton saying “ I did not have sex with that woman”.
Yeah, it’s just like it except for the part where it is nothing like it.
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true. its the betrayal that they have in common. however one involves betraying your wife. the other involves betraying your country. so you’re right. there is a part where they are not even a little alike
Just think of the TTC as the driveway for the invaders. As for it being a pipe dream? Right now it is a 500 MILLION dollar penality if Governer Goodhair and the State of Texas tell Cintra (Bluebonnet Infrastructure Investors... how clever) to take a hike and stop the project. That ain't pipe smoke friend. Why in the world anyone thinks that mexican superhighway cutting Texas in half is going to "just stop" at the Red River is beyond me. TTC is quite real and it will bring uninspected cargo containers to the very center of the United States.
Or perhaps you think that is a good thing?
I guess so (although I haven't tried to click the "Report Abuse"; I hate doing that unless it's completely over the top. I think I clicked it once in my 6 years here, on myself)
Bush deserves heat for his amnisty travesty, and it was perfectly acceptable to criticize him on that. But I still think he's an honest man, he says what he means and means what he says. So it disturbs me when the common DU/KOS type trashy words are permitted here, on FR, about a man I voted twice for, and helped campaign for, in MARYLAND of all places.
It was funny, before this, the conspiracy theorists were all in a lather about Bush and Co. never answering the question of a North American union directly. Now he has and is getting castigated for it.
He's honest almost to a fault. So if he says that there aren't any grand schemes to make a "superhighway" or some "North American Union", I BELIEVE him. The conspiracy nuts need to take the foil off their heads, wake up, and smell reality. The real world really isn't as nasty as it appears from the back of a tin-foil lined trailer.
Let’s fight it together.
I’m in and so are a lot of others throughtout all these NAU threads.
LLS
In this thread: fruits and nuts.
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Seriesly, there’s nothing W could do to convince ya’ll that there isn’t an evil government conspiracy to glue North America together and steal our precious bodily fluids. If he doesn’t say something, he’s hiding the truth. If he does say something, “OMG HE’S LYING TO HIDE THE TRUTH.”
How many of you tools think we didn’t land on the moon and that water fluoridation is an evil plot by the communists to sap our wills, lol.
Enjoy being scared out of your mind for no apparent reason.
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At least Prime Minster Harper has a sense of humor about it. :p I wonder what he gets out of the evil conspiracy.
On immigration:
“Bush: The president called for a “temporary worker card” to allow employers to hire foreign workers legally. He said he strongly opposed a plan for amnesty, favored by Kerry, which would grant citizenship to illegal immigrants who have been in the country for many years.
Kerry: He said the Mexican border was less protected today than before Sept. 11. He said he supported amnesty for illegal immigrants who “have been here for a long time, stayed out of trouble, got a job, paid their taxes, and their kids are American.”
Above from a 2004 presidential debate:
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/10/14/ISSUES.TMP
Many seem to have forgotten that W was against amnesty for illegals, and Kerry was in favor. Still want to say about W:
“He’s honest almost to a fault. So if he says that there aren’t any grand schemes to make a “superhighway” or some “North American Union”, I BELIEVE him.”
It’d be just as easy to sort of mix up and confuse the meaning of “superhighway” and “North American Union” just like old W sort of mixed up what amnesty meant once he’d won reelection and met with Vicente again.
Yes, W ran OPPOSED to amnesty in 2004.
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