Even since this was a common manhattan site:
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Posted on 08/22/2007 7:08:24 AM PDT by DogByte6RER
I’m with you. Fluoridating the water “for the chilldrunn” is nanny-state liberalism at its finest. Conservatives should be on the side of letting people choose what to put in their bodies to the greatest extent possible. Those who wish to use fluoride have ample, inexpensive opportunity to do so. Those who don’t wish to put this particular chemical in their bodies should have the freedom not to do so.
If fluoride is the miracle drug some say it is, then those who don’t use it will pay the increased dental bills associated with their choice. Conservatism should be about making individual choices and living with the attendant consequences, not foisting “good for you” choices on others.
The nasty stuff is even dangerous in it’s solid state. It’s been found to be a factor in thousands of slip & fall injuries and tens of thousands of highway deaths.
Glad you have good water. I’ve lived in four states, and six towns. In every case, the water tasted poorly. Perhaps because of aging pipes, perhaps for other reasons. The best Gov’t water I ever tasted, however, was in NYC... believe it or not. I drink bottled water because of the taste... or rather the lack of taste.
Huh? Proving a negative is impossible. He can't prove it's not causing harm. But you can prove that it is. Since that's your assertion, prove it.
Did you read the study?
The conclusion was that floride “COULD” be a contributing factor, in osteosarcoma in boys under 20... it was not conclusive. Not to mention the study author also admitted it had limitations and further research is needed to confirm or refute its findings.
So in other words, your cited study basically says, floridated water COULD cause this cancer, maybe.... Real conclusive evidence.
Go read the following and get back to me:
http://www.cdc.gov/fluoridation/fact_sheets/osteosarcoma.htm
You have yet to offer published peer reviewed study showing floride causes cancer, what you have offered is 1 limited study that did get published, but is not remotely conclusive.
Oh, and one more fact to mull over:
The principal investigator for the overall study (the one you cite) cautions against over interpreting or generalizing the results of the Bassin analysis, stressing that preliminary analysis of a second set of cases does not appear to replicate the findings (Douglass et al., 2006). Publications from the forthcoming analyses are expected to provide further information as to whether and to what extent an association may exist between osteosarcoma and exposure to fluoride.
So what does that mean? It means the second follow up data using the same method did not replicate the original research results... So what does that mean? Until you can replicate results, you don’t have fact, you have anomaly/theory.
Get back to me when you have something... I won’t be holding my breath.
Again, the point is it is in high concentrations in some places, and there’s no evidence of some epidemic occuring. And, the F concentration recommended is 1 part per billion or something. To think something like that is going to have a significant effect - sorry. Neither does lead. People survive even pretty big concentrations at 1 time.
It’s true, some things could add up. Sugar adds up (to teeth, too! LOL). But this game is ridiculous. It’s the same “loooonng-term” effect game the health-nuts play. This’ll kill you, this’ll kill you, that’ll kill you. Organs fail, period. It could be just age, it could be something or many things combined.
There are millions of factors involved, not just “fluoridation of water” - what else is common in these alleged higher rates of liver problems when people are 80 years old?
Such worrying about things that happen to people decades later that is not much different from other outcomes probably just isn’t worth it. It’s beating your head against a wall worrying about little things.
“So in other words, your cited study basically says, floridated water COULD cause this cancer, maybe.... Real conclusive evidence.”
You said there had never been a study showing a correlation. There has been a study. Clearly more research is needed before foisting this chemical onto millions of people when its not needed.
We get more than enough fluoride from toothpaste. If people don’t brush their teeth then they deserve a cavity.
In the end I don’t think our government should be forcing people to ingest this chemical.
Exactly, so why were you quoting individuals opinions and trying to present them as fact?
There is not one peer reviewed study published proving Floridated water causes cancer, not one.
In over 50+ years of study (70+ actually if you go back to the original findings on floride and tooth enamel) there has not been one conclusive study linking Floridated water to cancer. Or any other serious health risk.
Too much floride exposure can stain teeth and cause other issues, but as the person who brought this up, generally this is a result of people being far overexposed by manual addition of floride to people on well water, not public water systems adding 1 part per million of it to water.
Even the latest study cited by another here is cited out of context and incorrectly, and its results have not been able to be replicated by studying other areas using the same methods. This indicates the cancers were not linked to floridated vs non floridated drinking water in the area, but more likely other environmental differences between the data groups.
“So what does that mean? It means the second follow up data using the same method did not replicate the original research results... So what does that mean? Until you can replicate results, you don’t have fact, you have anomaly/theory.”
So we go from there never being a study to they haven’t repeated their study. If you look at my links in post 29 you’ll see there are numerous highly educated people from the dental field advising against it.
But lets ignore that ‘FOR THE CHILDREN’. Its been ‘DONE THIS WAY FOR 60 YEARS’ so it must be right.
Hey, I’m on your side.
I used opinions BECAUSE the quack side is fond of opinions - they think testimonials are good enough.
In MY testimonial, it happens that I’ve never been in any nearby physical (much less intimate personal) contact with any person who had a problem ascribed to F. That’s a lot of people, BTW. I’m 38 and have had enough schooling and jobs to have run into many, many people!
Never mind I myself have never had cavity or even other problems ascribable to any F “infestation”.
In fact, I almost never brushed my teeth at all regularly until I was like 22 or something (I hated the chore of hygiene - still do!); but I drank F water all my life. I never had a cavity until maybe I was 28 or so.
“You are so full of crap.”
And you’re ugly but I wasn’t gonna say anything.
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