Excellent idea.
Does Madame La Farge come with it?
Posted on 08/21/2007 7:35:48 PM PDT by Dubya
GASTONIA, N.C. -- Police in Gaston County say an illegal immigrant kidnapped and tried to sexually assault two little girls Saturday.
They say Ramon Zamora-Solano, 41, told the girls to come into his apartment in Gastonia. The 6- and 5-year-old girls were playing outside at a birthday party on Duhart Avenue. Police say the girls said no, and Zamora-Solano hit them and dragged them into the apartment by their hair before locking the door.
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If the government is going to reject its Constitutional responsibility to protect our boarders then it’s not simple vigilantism.
Vigilantism is never "simple". That's my point. Once a group of people decide they are outside the law, for whatever reason, then decide to establish and enforce their own idea of ideal law, then there's really no limit to where it can go.
If, as our Founding Fathers tell us, the power of government is derived from the consent of the governed, then the responsibility for protecting our country and our children is not just that of the government...its our own responsibility, too.
Agreed. The word there is "protecting", not "hunting" or "executing". The Constitution does not give citizens the authority to bypass the law and administer "street justice". It's dishonest to say that the Founding Fathers ever believed in that either.
If the government can not or will not do the job, then responsible parents need to start asking themselves what is the point of allowing government that power?
Maybe because our Republic works better than anything else that's ever been tried. Do you suppose a nation of vigilantes would be better than submission to the rule of Constitutional law?
For those who have stood on their soap boxes and said that our government is broken, there is no stronger evidence to support their case than this problem of illegal immigration.
OK. How does that justify vigilantism? How does it prove that vigilantism would be better overall than our Constitutional Republic?
The current failure--not permanent--of our government to deal with a serious issue is not evidence that throwing it out the window would make things better.
Not even liberals are trying to argue that its not the federal government’s job to defend our boarders and to protect our citizens from the crimes that come with illegal immigration. This is the federal government’s responsibility, and the federal government is figuratively standing in the door and giving US citizens the ‘finger.’
Again, this isn't going to justify vigilantism as some sort of solution to the problem. Quite to the contrary, vigilantism multiplies the problem.
Instead of a few government officials, who can be removed from office, failing in their duties, vigilantism would empower anyone with a bone to pick with anyone else to hunt and execute those deemed a threat. What happens when a vigilante group decides you are a threat, for some reason? Your rejection of the rule of law means you don't get a trial, fair treatment or a defense of any kind.
Take a few minutes to think real hard about how it would be to be the one on the wrong side of a gang of vigilantes. It's not nearly as comfortable as the self-righteous position of the executioner.
They have decided that political power and personal profit is a higher priority then their Constitutional duties.
True, some have.
Is your personal agenda and list of perceived enemies a higher priority than the Constitution?
Inasmuch, the Constitutional “contract” that citizens willingly obligate themselves to has been broken by our government. It thereby falls to citizens to consider and decide if the federal government should retain the power they consistently abuse.
OK. Sure.
The way this is accomplished is at the ballot box in November. Otherwise, your self-righteous hunger for power is no more correct than theirs. Only your goals are different.
Perhaps its time for a change.
Change by electing honorable representation, not by living outside the law.
No disrespect sir, but if the govt does not follow the law, why should we?
This sounds more like a speed boat and coral reef moment.
“They need to shoot that man dead.” Wrongo! They need to shoot his dingus off, then deport him.”
We neuter dogs dont we? and this one sounds like a real dog.
Because we are human? And recognize that while this may make us feel better in the short term, just how will it affect culture down the line? Or should we just forgo the centuries old trial by jury and go back to 'get a rope'. While the man will have lost his life, what will we have lost in the process?
“Ellie Nestler did the right thing and served time in prison! WTF!”
Her problem was she moved to soon. “Revenge is a dish best served cold”.
I heard this was the man's 5th assault, but Seattle being a sanctuary city the police are not allowed to ask or check on immigration status.
That technique is used to inflate statistics of “crimes committed by whites” and deflate “crimes committed against”.
Vigilantism is when individuals take the law into their own hands in lieu of the government agency responsible for enforcing the law. Society tends to frown on people taking the law into their own hands because of the assumption that the government is taking care of that responsibility. Therefore, for someone to step into the arena of justice is to strip government of the ability to do the job, and rob the criminal of their day in court and the people of their right to have the evidence of the crime investigated and presented to a jury and/or a judge.
That’s not the case in the area of illegal immigration because the government is willfully ignoring their responsibility.
Someone who would argue that we find another way to deal with illegals is not suggesting the individuals step between the criminal and the government agent(s) about to tend to justice on behalf of the people. You can’t step between the government and the criminal when the government is refusing their duty.
Just as the government is charged by the Constitution to protect our boarders from illegal immigrants, they’re also responsible to protect our soil from military invasion. If the Mexican military was rolling northward across Texas and the US military decided to “sit that one out,” would you suggest that US citizens should just put up their hands and surrender?
Excellent idea.
Does Madame La Farge come with it?
I just checked with her, and she informed me she is preparing you a wonderful, delightful meal.
These illegals are ruining American families’ lives.
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