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To: Sub-Driver
This is BIG...and the appellate court might have ruled properly. For all of you gong to make other analogies about bank robberies, stealing, etc., save your breath.

What this court ruled is that while entering the country is a crime, a continued presence in the country is not a crime because the underlying law dos not address the continuing presence, only the initial act of entering the country.

Ouch.

11 posted on 08/21/2007 8:25:06 AM PDT by Bob J (Rightalk.com...a conservative alternative to NPR! Check out nat synd "Rightalk with Terri and Lynn")
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To: Bob J
What this court ruled is that while entering the country is a crime, a continued presence in the country is not a crime because the underlying law dos not address the continuing presence, only the initial act of entering the country.

Ouch.

By that logic, someone who overstays a visa violates the law by not exiting the country when the visa expires, but his continued presence in the country after the visa expired is not a crime -- only the initial act of overstaying the visa when it expired. If the continued presence after overstaying a visa is a crime, then the continued presence after illegally entering (without ever getting a visa) is also a crime. Continued presence after entering illegally is EXACTLY the same thing from an immigration status standpoint as overstaying a visa (aside from the fact that the criminal alien who overstays a visa was actually at some point in the country legally).

14 posted on 08/21/2007 8:31:01 AM PDT by VRWCmember (Fred Thompson 2008! Taking America Back for Conservatives!)
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To: Bob J; xsmommy
Disclaimer: I have not read the statute in question, and my analysis of this story is based solely on what is in the report.

It appears the appellate court made up the distinction.

In its opinion, the court explained that Congress had implicitly created the distinction: "While Congress has criminalized the illegal entry into this country, it has not made the continued presence of an illegal alien in the United States a crime unless the illegal alien has previously been deported," said the opinion.
It appears the court is saying that since Congress didn't specifically state that staying in the country after entering illegally is a crime that it is implying (that's what an implicit distinction is) that staying after entering illegally is perfectly legal. That is a pretty stupid assumption to make. Unless Congress made an EXPLICIT distinction, the court doesn't have any business creating an implicit distinction out of whole cloth.

Furthermore, if Congress has explicitly stipulated that people who entered the country legally but then overstayed their visas are in the country illegally, then it goes to reason that the continuing presence of someone who entered the country illegally is by definition illegal until that person takes the necessary steps to obtain legal status.

Based on the information provided in the story, this is a terrible ruling and an example of extreme judicial activism.

17 posted on 08/21/2007 8:41:50 AM PDT by VRWCmember (Fred Thompson 2008! Taking America Back for Conservatives!)
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To: Bob J

Trespassing comes to mind, and it’s been used by some communities to arrest illegals.


20 posted on 08/21/2007 8:55:19 AM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: Bob J
Section 1325. Improper entry by alien (a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.

(b) Improper time or place; civil penalties Any alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to enter) the United States at a time or place other than as designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil penalty of -

(1) at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or attempted entry); or

(2) twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under this subsection.

23 posted on 08/21/2007 9:05:39 AM PDT by usurper (Spelling or grammatical errors in this post can be attributed to the LA City School System)
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To: Bob J

“What this court ruled is that while entering the country is a crime, a continued presence in the country is not a crime because the underlying law dos not address the continuing presence, only the initial act of entering the country.”


So they can only be arrested when they still have one foot in Mexico?


34 posted on 08/21/2007 9:25:59 AM PDT by Stark_GOP
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To: Bob J

The Kansas legislature rules like an omnipotent despot. There is no right to referendum or petition in Kansas. In other words, there’s not a dam thing anyone can do about the law and the judges interpretation of same.


104 posted on 08/22/2007 8:47:14 AM PDT by x_plus_one (Allah is not Yahweh.)
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