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Divisive debate echoes across U.S. [ILLEGALS]
Star-Telegram Washington Bureau ^ | Aug. 19, 2007 | DAVE MONTGOMERY

Posted on 08/19/2007 10:06:46 AM PDT by Dubya

WASHINGTON -- The debate over illegal immigration has ceased in Congress, but almost nowhere else.

Widespread concerns about the impact of illegal immigration on jobs, social services and national security continues to generate intense rhetoric. And some see a dark side emerging, evident in growing discrimination against Hispanics and a surge of xenophobia unseen since the last big wave of immigration in the early 20th century.

"I don't think there's been a time like this in our lifetime," said Doris Meissner of the Migration Policy Institute and former commissioner of the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service. "Even though immigration is always unsettling and somewhat controversial, we haven't had this kind of intensity and widespread, deep-seated anger for almost 100 years."

The Southern Poverty Law Center, which monitors hate groups, said the number of "nativist extremist" organizations fighting illegal immigration has gone from almost zero about five years ago to 144; nine are classified as hate groups, such as the Ku Klux Klan and Aryan supremacists.

Some senators who participated in the midsummer debate over President Bush's unsuccessful immigration bill said they were barraged with some of the most venomous mail of their congressional careers. Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., who supported the bill legalizing undocumented immigrants, said he has received death threats.

"It is unbelievable how this has inflamed the American people," McCain said in an speech Thursday at the Aspen Institute in Colorado.

Eighty-three percent of immigrants from Mexico and 79 percent of immigrants from Central America believe that there is growing discrimination against Latin American immigrants in the United States, according to a poll conducted by the Miami-based Bendixen & Associates.

Instead of taking a downturn after the collapse of Bush's immigration overhaul in June, the debate over illegal immigration has seemingly escalated. As prospects for congressional action appeared increasingly in doubt, all 50 states and more than 75 towns and cities considered -- and in many cases enacted -- immigration restrictions, even though the courts thus far have declared such actions unconstitutional intrusions on federal responsibilities.

The slayings of three college students in Newark reignited calls for a clampdown on illegal immigration after the disclosure that one of the suspects, Jose Lachira Carranza, was an illegal immigrant from Peru who was free on bail awaiting trial on assault and child rape charges.

The case revitalized an argument made during the congressional debate that the flow of illegal immigrants, though predominated by job-seekers lured by the prospect of higher wages and better conditions, includes a criminal element.

A coalition of 15 anti-illegal-immigration groups accused Newark's and New Jersey's governments of "negligent complicity" in the deaths through inadequate law enforcement. The protest was organized by Dallas attorney David Marlett.

The Bush administration, in the absence of the sweeping overhaul sought by the president, moved this month to toughen enforcement of existing laws, threatening steeper penalties against employers and more vigorous work-site inspections.


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Immigrants send less cash home as construction slows

Mexican immigrant Margarito Rodriguez hasn’t needed his white, cowboy-shaped hard hat much this summer.

After five weeks without a construction job, he finally found one in mid-July.

“There was not a lot of work,” said Rodriguez, who blamed some of the slowdown on the soggy summer but most of it on a drop in home construction.

Construction has slowed because it has gotten harder for home buyers to get credit in the wake of the meltdown in the subprime mortgage market.

Illegal immigrants, in particular, are bearing the brunt of that slowdown, losing their jobs painting, laying tile and building roofs for new homes, economists said. And with less cash in their pockets, some immigrants such as Rodriguez — who is working on his legal status — are cutting back on the amount they send to relatives in Latin America. That, in turn, has contributed to the first year-over-year monthly declines in remittances to Mexico in 12 years, according to Banco de Mexico.

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21 posted on 08/19/2007 10:30:21 AM PDT by Dubya (Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,but by me)
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To: Dubya

Eighty-three percent of immigrants from Mexico and 79 percent of immigrants from Central America believe that there is growing discrimination against Latin American immigrants in the United States

They forgot the word ILLEGAL......again, and if they feel that discriminated against they should go home. They weren’t invited to our party anyway.


22 posted on 08/19/2007 10:32:07 AM PDT by sheana
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To: alicewonders

As an Anti-Illegal Alien supporter I have been called every
name in the book, that is, every name except one, American!
Yes, I am a proud American who resents the wholesale invasion of my country by unwashed, illiterate aliens who take and take our hard-earned tax dollars in free services and give me the middle finger when we speak up against them.
God, how I dream of the day when a real leader emerges, takes charge and kicks every last one of them out!


23 posted on 08/19/2007 10:32:20 AM PDT by Duffboy
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To: Dubya
The debate over illegal immigration ALIENS has ceased in Congress, but almost nowhere else. Widespread concerns about the impact of illegal immigration ALIENS on jobs, social services and national security continues to generate intense rhetoric. And some see a dark side emerging, evident in growing discrimination against Hispanics and a surge of xenophobia unseen since the last big wave of immigration in the early 20th century....

The Southern Poverty Law Center, which monitors hate groups, said the number of "nativist extremist" organizations fighting illegal immigration ALIENS has gone from almost zero.....

Always read "illegal aliens" when reading on this subject. Immigrants are legal. Aliens are not. "Illegal Immigrants" ("immigration") is an oxymoron.

24 posted on 08/19/2007 10:33:05 AM PDT by Frwy (Proud member of the vast right wing conspiracy.)
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To: Bernard
Illegals can be racists... la raza (the race).

LLS

25 posted on 08/19/2007 10:33:47 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims!)
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To: Dubya
Good news. I was afraid that after Bush, Graham, and McCain were sent packing with their tails between their legs, the American people would forget about this issue. The fact that the bleeding heart liberal media whines that we have memories longer than a kid watching Sesame Street means that we've not forgotten what those who would lead us were trying to lead us into.

Whine, bitch and moan, MSM. "Discrimination"??? You ain't seen nothin' yet.

26 posted on 08/19/2007 10:33:51 AM PDT by hunter112 (Change will happen when very good men are forced to do very bad things.)
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To: sheana
MOST news stories leave out the word "illegal." Actually, I'm not at all against immigrants. But I'm totally against illegal immigrants.
27 posted on 08/19/2007 10:33:55 AM PDT by MizSterious (Deport all the illegals to sanctuary cities.)
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To: alicewonders
Here we go! Everyone is going to label us as racists now.

Precisely. A "surge of xenophobia unseen since the last big wave of immigration"; "hate groups"; "'nativist extremist' organizations fighting illegal immigration"...and on and on.

Translation: Everyone who opposes illegal--repeat, illegal--immigration is motivated by evil sentiments.

The author of this Star-Telegram article, Dave Montgomery, is pulling out all the big guns here. The usual ones.

28 posted on 08/19/2007 10:34:46 AM PDT by AmericanExceptionalist (Democrats believe in discussing the full spectrum of ideas, all the way from far left to center-left)
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To: Dubya; All

....and in other news......a few of the dead Americans lost THIS week (either killed or being tried) to illegal aliens .....

http://towncriernews.blogspot.com/2007/08/update-list-of-victims-of-illegal.html
(List here, please add to it if you know of others)

Kernal Rehobson
Dani “D.J.” Countryman, 16

Dashon Harvey, 20
Terrance Aeriel, 18
Iofemi Hightower, 20

Tenesha Williams
S.J. Williams
Xavier Brown, 2

Ben Leonard, 16
Megan Hughes, 22
Jennifer Carter

Martin Ruffin
James Cronin

Paul Watry, 17

Steve Tocco


29 posted on 08/19/2007 10:35:00 AM PDT by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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To: alicewonders

alicewonders wrote: “In fact, it has nothing to do with race, it’s about not breaking the law.”

Although law is an important aspect, I believe culture is another factor.

See, I don’t want America to turn into Mexico or some other Latin American country. I also wouldn’t want it to turn into Germany, or China, or any other foreign country.

Legal immigration is great, but if the law is the only reason why you don’t want foreigners to immigrate here, the law is easily changed.

In my opinion, legal immigration is great only so long as those who come here adopt the majority culture and do not try to change it to match their home country.

When large numbers of immigrants, legal or otherwise, come here from a single or few countries without assimilating, we are threatening the very culture that made America great and provided the opportunities the immigrants themselves seek.


30 posted on 08/19/2007 10:40:45 AM PDT by CitizenUSA
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To: Dubya
"It is unbelievable how this has inflamed the American people," McCain said
No. What's unbelievable is that McStain, coming from Arizona, finds our anger unbelievable.

Ever wonder why your campaign crashed and burned, Juan?

31 posted on 08/19/2007 10:44:06 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: Man50D

Using the phrase “undocumented” is Orwellian speak for government’s failure to provide the legal document, while “illegal” places guilt on the individual.

“Of all states that is the worst whose rulers no longer enjoy an authority sufficiently extensive for everyone to obey them with good grace, but in which their authority over a part of their subjects is sufficiently large to enable them to constrain others.” ~~Bertrand de Jouvenal, “Sovereignty”


32 posted on 08/19/2007 10:44:28 AM PDT by HockeyPop
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To: Dubya

I think some of Americas xenophobia and paranoia of non-Americans has abated some. My daily commute this past week yielded a tally of fewer than 50 Mexicans hanging from oaks large and small.

The cross burnings have plummeted to near zero, and the nightly gunplay no longer sounds like Baghdad.

People hare have become jaded and bored with goring or bayonetting practice of illegals, very few are ever disembowled, and I have not seen a head on a pike in at least a month.

So all in all, I think La Raza and other racist anti-American and communist organizations should be quite pleased with the charity most citizens extend to their despicable and anticonstitutional assaults on our freedom.


33 posted on 08/19/2007 10:45:46 AM PDT by petertare (--)
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To: Dubya
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34 posted on 08/19/2007 10:46:06 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist)
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To: MizSterious
MOST news stories leave out the word "illegal." Actually, I'm not at all against immigrants. But I'm totally against illegal immigrants aliens .

Always read "illegal aliens" when reading on this subject. Immigrants are legal. Aliens are not. "Illegal Immigrants" is an oxymoron.

I'm not picking on you. I'm picking on the expression "illegal immigration". I'd love to wipe it from our heads and replace it with the real issue of "illegal aliens". Thanks for letting me use your comment as a correcting tool.

35 posted on 08/19/2007 10:46:19 AM PDT by Frwy (Proud member of the vast right wing conspiracy.)
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To: Chode

I get the first three letters. Help this dummy out and fill in the rest so I can adopt this obvious “slam” too. It’s so pretty and I know I will like all of it. : )


36 posted on 08/19/2007 10:50:47 AM PDT by Frwy (Proud member of the vast right wing conspiracy.)
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To: mewzilla

He works for the Fort Worth Star Telegram which I am ashamed to say is my hometown newspaper. I don’t know if they are part of the McLatchy group.

He is just trying to stir the pot. Part of the propaganda of the left.

The truth is the illegals are illegals. They are criminals while here in the US. They have no rights as American citizens. They need to go back to their own countries and prove they are worthy citizens there. Why they are not proud of their own countries is beyond me? Why they degrade themselves with pity and shame is also beyond me.


37 posted on 08/19/2007 10:51:09 AM PDT by freekitty
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To: Dubya

Target practice, Dubya


38 posted on 08/19/2007 10:52:27 AM PDT by wastedyears (Alright, hold tight, I'm a highway staaaaaaaaaaaaarrr)
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK

Sounds like it, huh. :)


39 posted on 08/19/2007 10:53:20 AM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: LibLieSlayer

And government funded to boot.

Insanity.


40 posted on 08/19/2007 10:54:19 AM PDT by Califreak (Go Hunter!)
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