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Magnitude 3.9 - UTAH [Miner's site?]
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Posted on 08/18/2007 6:27:41 AM PDT by Brian Mosely

Magnitude 3.9 - UTAH

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2007 August 18 13:16:30 UTC

Earthquake Details

Magnitude 3.9
Date-Time

  • Saturday, August 18, 2007 at 13:16:30 UTC
  • Saturday, August 18, 2007 at 07:16:30 AM at epicenter

Location 38.102°N, 113.404°W

Depth 0.1 km (~0.1 mile) (poorly constrained)
Region

UTAH
Distances
  • 44 km (27 miles) WSW (254°) from Minersville, UT
  • 47 km (29 miles) SW (226°) from Milford, UT

  • 50 km (31 miles) NW (320°) from Enoch, UT
  • 112 km (69 miles) ENE (61°) from Caliente, NV
  • 266 km (166 miles) NE (37°) from Las Vegas, NV

Location Uncertainty horizontal +/- 1.3 km (0.8 miles); depth +/- 9.3 km (5.8 miles)
Parameters Nst= 27, Nph= 27, Dmin=40 km, Rmss=0.6 sec, Gp= 97°,

M-type=local magnitude (ML), Version=1

Source
  • University of Utah Seismograph Stations

Event ID uu00007599



TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: collapse; crandallcanyon; genwalmine; mine; rescue; utah
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To: B4Ranch

I do not believe in a government conspericy; however, I do believe of individual bias. I assume that you have read the report on NASA and Global warming that was recently refuted.

In an initial report, the mine owner reported that a siezemec event occured at 5400 feet and gave the coordinates.

Do we have any bloggers that can look back at the first report and pull public data?I do not believe in a government conspiracy; however, I do believe that individual in charge of certain reports have a bias. I assume that you have read the report on NASA and Global warming that was recently refuted.

In an initial report, the mine owner reported that a seismic event occurred at 5400 feet and gave the coordinates, where did he get this specific information?

Do we have any bloggers that can look back at the first report and pull public data


41 posted on 08/18/2007 8:55:32 AM PDT by ccsquid
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace

Sure looks like OnTap and Carrie_Okie must be personal acquaintenances of you.

Are you sure you don’t work for UMW or maybe Fox News?


42 posted on 08/18/2007 9:11:12 AM PDT by dusttoyou (FredHead from the git go)
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To: Brian Mosely
But... but...
The earthquake "experts" have been telling us all along that there haven't been any!

What's up with that?

Just asking.

43 posted on 08/18/2007 9:24:59 AM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: B4Ranch

Like any group or organization, the US Government has good people and bad people. To believe that an orchestrated conspiracy is ongoing relative to the Utah mine disaster is absolutely ridiculous.


44 posted on 08/18/2007 9:25:55 AM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: dusttoyou

Here is the university of Utah seismic website. They have been saying they cannot rule out an earthquake altho they highly doubt it.

The charts do show seismic activity predating the mine event.

http://www.seis.utah.edu/


45 posted on 08/18/2007 9:26:40 AM PDT by crazyshrink
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To: Carry_Okie

Well, that proves a conspiracy, doesn’t it (/barf on keyboard). Where, oh where, do you people come from?


46 posted on 08/18/2007 9:27:59 AM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: dusttoyou

What? Is there a full moon or was there a release at the local asylum? You people are seriously nuts.


47 posted on 08/18/2007 9:30:01 AM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
Well, that proves a conspiracy, doesn’t it (/barf on keyboard). Where, oh where, do you people come from?

No, it does prove that some of the people upon whom the media rely are less than reliable. It also demonstrates that there is cause for legitimate disagreement as to the source of the collapse, for which we'll have to wait for a reliable explanation.

Given that disagreement, it also proves that you are posting in an incontinent and petulant manner. It is disparaging to FreeRepublic and the respectful discourse for which it stands.

48 posted on 08/18/2007 9:40:26 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers three choices: fight, submit, or die.)
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To: TMSuchman

The hole...It’s only known natural enemy is the pile.


49 posted on 08/18/2007 9:56:59 AM PDT by Abigail Adams
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To: Carry_Okie
"mediots"

Great word!

50 posted on 08/18/2007 10:16:08 AM PDT by b9
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
Yes, it says that I think that someone who believes that there is a conspiracy by the US Government, thereby including the scientists at the USGS, is an unbelievably stupid person with an obvious lack of any sense of reality. I could care less what you think about what I wrote.

Like I said, "Your answer reveals a lot about you."

51 posted on 08/18/2007 3:36:24 PM PDT by ghostrider
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To: ontap

I’m not a coal miner or a mine owner, but I work in the industry and have close associations with MSHA, so my bias may show, although I believe I have more understanding of coal mining than average Joe Sixpack who gets his expertise from sound-bites on the idiot box.

IMHO, and that’s all it is, both the media and certain university “scientists” and “experts” were a little too quick to declare that the first seismic event was a result of the cave in and not vice versa. I’d be interested to know if these are the same experts that trumpet global warming “science” agenda and hate the coal industry with mouth-foaming passion.

MSHA have made no call on why either cave in happened and likely won’t for many months until they’ve reviewed all the data and circumstances. Despite their professionalism, MSHA has made a big mistake by suspending underground rescue operations and you can be sure the coal-hating global warming loonies are in ecstasy over the decision.

Seismic events are all-too common as this topic illustrates. It’s a safe bet this most recent quake, hundreds of miles away, wasn’t caused by the cave-in. If it becomes MSHA policy to bail on rescue operations whenever the ground shifts, no one in their right mind will ever journey into a coal mine. Perhaps it’s just my military training that compels me to believe that we don’t leave our brothers behind to save our own hides - but, that’s how I feel, and abandoning the rescue attempts has catastrophic implications to the future of mining.

Just my 2¢


52 posted on 08/18/2007 4:19:58 PM PDT by Drumbo ("Democracy can withstand anything but democrats." - Jubal Harshaw (Robert A. Heinlein))
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To: Drumbo

Thanks for your information. It seems I opened up a can of worms here. Your point is exactly what I was alluding to in my post. Coal mining is not PC so it has been my experience that like Global Warming certain people who should know better tend to make statements that are later revised. NASA has been nailed for some sketchy data they were using and climatologist who don’t tow the party line are harassed so it would come as no surprise to find out that a seismologist rushed to judgment about the cause of a collapse. At any rate it is not worth taking a lashing from the thread nazi.


53 posted on 08/18/2007 4:39:08 PM PDT by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: ghostrider

Thanks for coming to my defense I had no idea the post would arouse an ad homonym attack.


54 posted on 08/18/2007 4:44:28 PM PDT by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: Carry_Okie

Self righteous. I like it! Does it also support the claim of a conspiracy, which is what this is all about?


55 posted on 08/18/2007 9:10:18 PM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: ghostrider

Yes, you’re right. It says a lot about me. It also says that you are too cowardly to even say what you think even with the apparent anonymity of the internet. “Your answer reveals a lot about you”. Very deep and shakes me to the core. Geezus.


56 posted on 08/18/2007 9:11:52 PM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
It also says that you are too cowardly to even say what you think even with the apparent anonymity of the internet.

I prefer to examine data before forming a full opinion, for which I don't have time here. Lacking that, I have confidence in my friend, a Utah mining geologist with forty years experience, who offered an alternative hypothesis with supporting data, and who stated flatly that the Richter magnitude of the event is far beyond that of a mining collapse. So, my predisposition is to believe it likely that the source of the event was seismic, but I don't have a final opinion. I do know for certain that the "expert" Fox News presented offered "facts," so basic and so erroneous as to render his opinion highly suspect. I have said nothing about a "conspiracy," only that said "expert" is rendered incompetent by his own words.

Neither do I even presume anonymity, seeing as my page here links my site with my name on it. That you were too lazy to check, which speaks volumes about the integrity and technical validity of your opinion in this instance.

Frankly, in my judgment, your tone on this thread constitutes an abuse of this forum.

57 posted on 08/18/2007 9:32:59 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers three choices: fight, submit, or die.)
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To: milford421

Ping.


58 posted on 08/19/2007 2:53:48 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( God loaned us many of the Brave people, those who keep us free and safe and for balance liberals..)
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To: Carry_Okie

I didn’t post anything about anonymity to you! It was to another poster. Again, this whole conversation was directed at someone who claimed that the Government is covering up the quake for some reason. You decided to jump in with anecdotal evidence, which does nothing to lead me to believe in a conspiracy.


59 posted on 08/19/2007 4:30:05 AM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
"... this whole conversation was directed at someone who claimed that the Government is covering up the quake..."
You are the only one using the term Government cover-up and you've used it more than once. You are the only one calling others stupid and idiots. Maybe you have a comprehension problem to go with your lack of social skills?

The government to my knowledge (at least MSHA, the controlling legal authority) have made no comments about seismic events - but, the media, quoting so-called experts and scientists have pounded the nail relentlessly - stating emphatically and repeatedly that the cave-in caused the earthquake and the seismic readings. They have openly scoffed at Murry's contentions otherwise.

That "experts" or "scientists" or even the media could have an agenda is not beyond the realm of reasonable logic imho. That agenda driven "experts" and "scientists" could manipulate or conspire with the media to establish foregone conclusions in the minds of the public is not only conceivable, but can be documented. For agenda driven interests to "cover-up" the truth about events from within their ivory towers to serve said agendas while shouting down and mocking others with many years of hands on experience (literally working in the coal mines) is common. For Internet trolls to put words in people's mouths and name-call anyone with alternate opinions is par for the course. The moderators patience with you is commendable.
60 posted on 08/19/2007 6:27:18 AM PDT by Drumbo ("Democracy can withstand anything but democrats." - Jubal Harshaw (Robert A. Heinlein))
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