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Fed Plan On Illegals Can't Be Enforced: Data Can't Be Used To Screen Workers
The Whittier Daily News ^ | August 17, 2007 | Lisa Friedman, Washington Bureau

Posted on 08/17/2007 7:28:22 AM PDT by truthkeeper

WASHINGTON - Days after unveiling a major crackdown on businesses that hire illegal immigrants, the Bush administration is now quietly admitting that its most heavily touted weapon in pursuing employers will be virtually useless.

At the heart of the new rules announced last week is toughened Homeland Security enforcement of so-called "no match" letters - which the Social Security Administration sends to companies when employees have questionable identification numbers.

But Homeland Security officials acknowledged this week that because of a privacy provision in the IRS code, immigration officials will actually have no way of knowing which employers have received "no-match" letters, which have complied and which have not.

"While we don't get information directly from the Social Security Administration, we do see that we get a lot of tips," DHS spokeswoman Veronica Nun Valdez said. "There are number of people that do come forward and tell us an employer is not conforming with the law."

In addition to working with informants, Valdez said immigration officials plan to step up investigations and raids, which will likely yield sanctions against violating companies.

But illegal-immigration hardliners said they feel bamboozled.

Many noted that working with tips and increasing raids is nothing new, and they said they had assumed that the government had resolved the long-standing data-sharing issue.

Bob Dane said that without Homeland Security being able to get information directly from the Social Security Administration, the new rules are just "empty threats."

"Good God, if they're going to spend money on postage and send out threatening letters, which are long overdue, they need to have some practical enforcement at the end," he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at whittierdailynews.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: Arizona; US: California; US: New Mexico; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: aliens; deceit; endlessexcuses; government; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; lies
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1 posted on 08/17/2007 7:28:24 AM PDT by truthkeeper
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To: Travis McGee; Squantos
Does anyone else have a real bad headache?

L

2 posted on 08/17/2007 7:29:47 AM PDT by Lurker (Comparing moderate islam to extremist islam is like comparing small pox to ebola.)
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To: truthkeeper

dang.


3 posted on 08/17/2007 7:32:05 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: truthkeeper
officials acknowledged this week that because of a privacy provision in the IRS code, immigration officials will actually have no way of knowing which employers have received "no-match" letters, which have complied and which have not.

Modify that provision of the IRS code.
4 posted on 08/17/2007 7:32:13 AM PDT by kinoxi
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To: Lurker

Revise the code. Just do it. Stop the crap.
Just wait until they “discover” that EEO rules prohibit...


5 posted on 08/17/2007 7:32:28 AM PDT by steve8714 (Spiderpig..Spiderpig..does whatever a spiderpig does...can someone get that out of my head?)
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To: truthkeeper

Employer Identification (Tax) Numbers are included with the SSN data sent in, so they know who’s who -

those with the most “no match” flags get a visit to determine compliance.

Simple enough.

Just slap a few, and the rest will get the idea.


6 posted on 08/17/2007 7:32:45 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Lurker

Well well well....all the years we were told we had to have 2 pieces of ID and a social security card for new employees and we had to keep them on file or we could be fined by the government - it was all B.S.????

Apparently so.


7 posted on 08/17/2007 7:34:01 AM PDT by Aria (NO RAPIST ENABLER FOR PRESIDENT!!!)
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To: Lurker

Damn it.


8 posted on 08/17/2007 7:34:40 AM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: truthkeeper

I thought I heard on a radio ad yesterday that a landlord, real estate agent or seller cannot ask the “status” of a potential renter/buyer while leasing/selling a home?

Has anyone else heard this?


9 posted on 08/17/2007 7:34:46 AM PDT by rightinthemiddle (Without the Media, the Left and Islamofacists are Nothing.)
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To: truthkeeper
They don't need all this crap. They just need hard time for CEOs and CFOs and managers of companies that employ or contract out for illegal aliens. Hard time in a not-so-nice prison, not the country club "Club Fed" crap (if that, many seem to get probation). Perhaps shut down the companies as well.

Make it very high profile. Say "three months from now, companies employing illegal aliens are going to be shut down and their CEOs, CFOs, and management are going to do minimum 10 year sentences, unless they can prove that they, in good faith, did everything possible to determine the legal status of their employees".

Unfortunately, many of those companies benefitting from large amounts of illegal labor donate to the GOP and DNC, so that will never happen. The INS will stick to messing with small companies and handing out fines and probations (and the fines are meaningless pretty much).
10 posted on 08/17/2007 7:34:54 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Lurker

As this topic is now old news, I’m over my headache and just plain angry now. There is no tangible excuse, or reason this ridiculous stipulation need exist prohibiting the sharing of information within OUR Government obliged by charter to protect our Borders, thus Secure our Nation.

I’m going to have to remove the batteries from my ACME Catalogue BS Detector...This topic keeps setting it off and the headache will probably return. Then I’ll be P’d off with a headache.


11 posted on 08/17/2007 7:37:08 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...call 'em what you will...They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: steve8714
Does the “One in Charge” know what an Executive Order is?

The posing and subsequent backsliding of this admin is nauseating.

Apparently whats behind this is the thinking that: “you want enforcement, OK we will give you enforcement. The chamber of commerce types will then rise up and demand the passage of the dead SHAMESTY bill. So we get what we want by via triangulation in the end.” This is gonna backfire badly.

This is sounds like a shot called by Rove, who is held in some circles as a political genus. Overrated fool if you ask me.

12 posted on 08/17/2007 7:42:14 AM PDT by Weeedley (Let your plans be dark and impenetrable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.)
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To: rightinthemiddle

Not allowing a landlord to ask the status of a potential renter puts the landlord in a position where he would be in violation of the Immigration and Nationality Law which prohibits “harboring”. I could sue the landlord for violating RICO. It’s a hell of a Catch 22.


13 posted on 08/17/2007 7:43:47 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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Meanwhile, there is a camera on every street light, a computer monitoring your phone calls, and a spy satellite surveying your yard. You can’t fly to visit the kids without having all your fat X-rayed by someone who can’t speak English. Your whole life is recorded on federal computers, people in government just waiting for an opportunity to use it against you, and we can’t verify the SS numbers of illegals because of privacy issues. PC blows.


14 posted on 08/17/2007 7:45:33 AM PDT by pallis
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To: Lurker

They won’t do what they don’t want to do, which is tackle the alien invasion.

Public posturing is just window dressing.


15 posted on 08/17/2007 7:48:18 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Lurker
Does anyone else have a real bad headache?

Yes, and it's turning into a migraine.

16 posted on 08/17/2007 7:50:20 AM PDT by beaversmom
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To: Lurker

I knew the big talk was all smoke and mirrors.


17 posted on 08/17/2007 7:56:38 AM PDT by SmoothTalker
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To: truthkeeper
The reason that SSNs and TINs are needed is to collect income and FICA taxes via withholding.

Secure the borders by building the mandated fence. Repeal the income tax in favor of a consumption tax, and axe all of the entitlement programs. Streamline the system of legal immigration and naturalization, return to a quota system, and require positive verification of U.S. citizenship for voting. Foreign nationals who commit certain classes of crimes should be processed for deportation.

It's not terribly hard...it just requires that we reduce the government's strangehold on American society and reverse our march towards trans-national Marxist one world government.

18 posted on 08/17/2007 7:57:46 AM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Sic Semper Tyrannis * U.Va. Engineering '09 * Friends Don't Let Friends Vote Democrat * Fred in 2008)
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To: truthkeeper
What can be done, can be undone just as easily. Let’s see how many in Congress want to fix the law to allow for a narrow exemption so that employers of illegals can be flagged for I-9 audits. I bet that few, especially those on the left, who a few months ago were clamoring for stepped up enforcement against employers will quickly find reasons to not want to do it now that an easy path to identifying problem employers is so close at hand.
19 posted on 08/17/2007 8:00:05 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: beaversmom
Liberals have been coddling the criminals at every opportunity for as long as I can remember. I had read about this before. Chertoff must have done this to smoke out the Dems. They also wont allow the automatic background check to ping law enforcement when there is a match. I disagree with that, too.

I am always amazed by the vigor with which some here denouce business. It sounds like a bunch of socialists to me. Probably, most of the thousands of businesses in the US comply with immmigration law and do not need frequent visits by the gestapo. Intelligent use of databases can spot the lawbreakers. I suppose the Dems will require warrants from the FISA court. LOL

20 posted on 08/17/2007 8:01:03 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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