Posted on 08/16/2007 6:55:18 PM PDT by Smogger
Two medical helicopters enroute to Utah mine after report of new collapse
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Didn’t Murtha grow up in Indiana?
I do know he is in Johnstown, thought he grew up in Indiana.
I don’t know if he grew up here, but he had strong Indiana connections. Unlike you, I was not born in Indiana - moved here a bit later - but I know Murtha was always a big deal.
Listen to Quinn and Rose Radio show via the internet sometime. They’re show was just cancelled on a Johnstown station. Quinn and Rose really went after Murtha! LOL!!
http://streamingradioguide.com/streaming-radio-shows.php?sformat=1
They’re on every morning.
Interesting little tidbits about John L. Lewis.
Where ever did you get the idea that trade-unionism was solely the doing of Democrats and Commies.
You'll notice in this particular Wiki article that a "Progressive" has tried his best to tie Lewis to the leftwingtards, but he's not quite successful in doing that (which is one of the reasons I provide this particular reference ~ if Wiki's band of gay Commies can't turn a dead man into a lefty then no one can).
You might check the last Presidential race to see how West Virginia went ~ or Ohio, Indiana, Kentucky, Tennessee, Virginia, North Dakota, South Dakota, Montana, Wyoming, Utah ~ you know, the places with coal mines and coal miners.
Remember, today's Democratic party has elected to eliminate coal, coalmines, coalmining and coalminers.
The Republicans favor fossil fuel extraction until such time as we have a satisfactory replacement.
Coal miners, like everyone else, do ultimately vote their own interests ~ and lately that's been for George Bush and the Republican Party ~ kind of like things were up until the Great Depression. Roosevelt, of course, made some promises and he got the votes. Then he lost them.
BTW, our RINOs should have been over there trying to convert Senator Dorgan once they found out what a strong AFL-CIO-UAW type unionist he was (in the undocumented tourist debate) ~ guy sounded more like John L. Lewis than any Democrat I've ever heard.
Go back to your little friends and leave the adults here alone.
“BTW, name-calling is rather the hallmark of the mind-numbed, robot-like, knee-jerk liberal disrupters who slipin here from time to time from DU.
Go back to your little friends and leave the adults here alone.”
In the early 1920’s there was a faction of labor and particulary the UMWA that supported the Bolsheviks. They tried unsuccessfully to get their support into the constitution of the UMWA convention in Ohio. The saying in the coal fields of Applachia stands today as it did then; “I have never seen a Republican carry a lunch-pale to work”. The early factions of socialism still exist today in the hollows of Applachia.
And also your comments about DU....I stand with my earlier comment. You believe you can post anything without rebuttal. I have worked my entire life in this industry in a management role. My entire family for generations have worked in this industry. THIS generation that I am in is the first that has broken ranks from the DemoRat party. You have been here since 1998 and apparently are annoited. You can call me anything you want including an idiot and thats o.k., tell me to go back to DU? You can guess my response.
Here in our county in western pa., we sit in the middle of bituminous coal country. Though most of the mines are closed, most of the people in the coal-mining communities would rather vote for bagged dirt than a Republican. I work for a Republican elected official and she always wins by a landslide, but her smallest number of votes are in the out-lying coal mining communities. Our county did come out in favor of Bush last election, but the next county over from us, Cambria - another coal-mining county - was a blue county. If you look at a Pa. map of blue/red counties, you’ll see that most of Pa. voted red, other than the bigger cities and Cambria county. That’s Murtha’s county!
I WORK in West Virginia, Virginia, Kentucky, Colorado, Utah, Illinois and Wyoming. Other than Wyoming, Colorado and Utah the miners are definately voting Democrat. The states might have voted Red as you stated but the miners have too much history tied to the union and their ancestors.
Quinn & Rose are also on XM Channel 165.
No doubt your generation (which is mine) saw for the first time that UMW was not a Dem captive vote ~ they voted for George Bush.
They began working at it when they voted for Ronald Reagan, and even Richard Milhouse Nixon got more than his fair share of coal mining votes given the level of union sponsored vitriol thrown his way. Eisenhower did well.
Try as they could the Wiki writers couldn't get Lewis moved to the left until 1935, and he didn't exactly stay there all that long either.
Concerning those Appalachian Socialists, I've met them ~ strange accents too ~ Polish and Welsh miners only recently brought to America to work.
When the industry began mechanizing in the 50s and mining employment collapsed even they moved North. Still, they were a tiny minority in a sea of folks whose people had been in this country since its foundations.
Now, regarding personal links, one of my grandfather's was a labor union leader and knew Lewis, and Roosevelt, and Willkie, and Eleanor, and you name it. Everybody had to be lobbied back in the '30s and '40s. I even have a pen around here that Roosevelt used to sign the first, last and only pay raise he ever authorized for government employees.
Even the unions that infest USPS have more Republican voters than you can imagine ~ the only reason the Dems get an edge is that African-American APWU members vote "black", and at the moment "black" is with the Dems.
ONSTAR, good one. The lack of basic understanding of how thing work (like radio waves) in this country is amazing. I bet the majority has no idea that a cell phone is a radio.
Would someone tell me why there are no mine accident threads in Breaking News anymore yet there is still godd@mn Iowa straw poll threads??????????
This thread was in breaking all last night as the situation was unfolding. Now it is fading into obscurity for some unknown reason.
There are newer threads with reports about the 3 dead, but they aren't even in front page, let alone breaking. If anyone wants news about the situation, they have to use the search.
I guess it's what they teach at moderator school.
Fox News right now is talking about who to hold responsible for the latest incident at the mine. One lady even mentioned criminal charges.
The majority of Americans just don’t understand these miners willingly went to work there, they weren’t drafted or forced there, and were paid well. They also knew the dangers of working there, and had the choice to leave if they wanted. One of my grandpas left the mines after being hit in the head with a huge piece of coal, didn’t know who he was for a day or so, it hit him so hard. My other grandpa left when his oldest son became old enough to work the mines, he didn’t want his son to mine.
Yes, mining is dangerous, but not as much so as so many other jobs. The news media jump on these stories because these are “evil” resource extraction companies. I use to live in Louisiana, and about every week one or more workers were killed on oil rigs.
I really sympathize with the owners of this mine and the families of the miners. This is a horrible tradgedy, but the media sees it as a sensational story, and they taste blood, so look for lots of sensational coverage now.
Mechanization is the best thing that ever happened to those guys ~ took 'em right out of the mines.
Just telling my kids what former miners have told me ~ if you are down to a choice of begging or going down in the mines to support your family try the streets.
Mechanization is the best thing that ever happened to those guys ~ took 'em right out of the mines.
Just telling my kids what former miners have told me ~ if you are down to a choice of begging or going down in the mines to support your family try the streets.
There are still working coal mines here. I live on the east Tennessee/Kentucky border.
In fact, a coal miner was killed here in my county last week, which made the local news.
Yes, everybody here has a connection to coal mining. A nearby town (Lake City), in Anderson County, TN, was the site of a terrible mine explosion (Fraterville mine) early in the last century.
The Manhatten Project (Oak Ridge) of WWII allowed both my grandfathers to leave the mines for good, and gave them the opportunity to offer their children much better lives.
There are cemetaries here with headstones of those killed in the Fraterville mine accident. The headstones are inscribed with the last words the miners wrote to their loved ones, in some cases fathers and sons dying side by side underground. I can’t read these without crying.
George Kennedy?
Thats good. Even better than Boss Hogg.
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